Mastodon @lemmy.ml BuddyTheBeefalo @lemmy.ml 10 mo. ago

BlueskyBridge: Opt-Out is a terrible default and should be reconsidered

github.com Opt-out is a terrible default and should be reconsidered · Issue #835 · snarfed/bridgy-fed

It should be pretty obvious that a decentralized network that many use specifically to not be connected to centralized networks houses mostly people who do not wish to have their posts bridged to B...

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Bridgy Fed, a bridge between the Fediverse and other protocols such as BlueSky, is using an opt-out model and that raises a lot of discussion

github.com /snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/835

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All the twitter bridges on mastodon are alright and the bridges between matrix and discord are good?

but those aren't?
- I haven't settled on an opinion in this case, but I think there is a bit of nuance to be had.
  
  Look at the examples of Lemmy's Reddit and HackerNews Reposters. Some are viewed favourably, some unfavourably, some mixed.
  
  Compare the lululemon bot, lemmit.online and alien.top. I have all these blocked btw, but some are more useful than others.
  
  In the first case, it's very useful for users interested in lululemon, they can get the activity from the subreddit without needing to touch Reddit. Anyone not interested simply blocks either the bot or the community and move on with their day. I follow a PC sales community that is essentially the same thing though.
  
  lemmit.online is great for anyone that misses Reddit's drivel. On that instance, various popular communities are cloned so Lemmy users don't feel too disconnected from them. Now, there is very little interaction, no mirrored comments and few original comments on that instance but it's not a big problem for lurkers that can just follow the reddit links. Anyone not interested or thinks it's spam can just block the lemmit bot and suddenly all of that goes away. Some instances defederated to keep the default view uncluttered, but it's also possible now to block the instance in Lemmy alpha 19.
  
  For alien.top, you have an instance with a bunch of automatically created users that the original Reddit user can supposedly claim their username. Then the posts from subreddits around a topic get posted to a specific instance. One about sports, one about cars/mechanics, one about art. I can't remember where these all were. It sure flooded Lemmy with posts from OPs that don't reply. Pre v19, users couldn't block the thousands of these accounts that appeared. So many instances blocked it after a week and had to track down all the servers alien.top bots posted to because defederating just alien.top wasn't enough. Reception was generally negative.
  
  You can see there are multiple levels of interaction, which people can be for or against.
Wow. there are some takes on this. I agree with the sentiment, but five posts of 97 in and I've read something to the effect of "violating ToS is illegal" two or maybe three times. Buncha people trying to lawyer this out of existence out of court with only a high school education and a few episodes of law and order to guide them. Then it's a whole bunch of parrots saying the headline with a bunch of thumbs and hearts and no actual discussion or real engagement with the concept. A few good takes here and there, but mostly confused panicflood. Yikes. This is going to be a clusterfuck.

Edit: About a third of the way down I start seeing really cogent arguments, and compiled evidence against the proposal. A little further and I can see the project engineer's uh... response basically ignoring everything "I knew I would recieve pushback and I did, more than I was expecting, but I'm going forward anyway" fucking

Edit 2: forget everything I said at first as not relevant, this guy is an asshole

Edit 3: No, the part about lawyering was absolutely dead on actually. It's like watching charlie trying to go toe-to-toe on birdlaw in there. Or watching sovcits trying to cast spells to make the law work in their favor. Silly.
- "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole" could apply here. Assholes can do things that are technically okay to do.
  
  Yeah the best argument I found were repeated variations to the effect, "The scientists were so busy worrying if they could, they didn't stop to wonder if they should."
- You mean the part about people citing laws like GDPR is dead on?
  
  I meant this part "Buncha people trying to lawyer this out of existence out of court with only a high school education and a few episodes of law and order to guide them." in my original comment was dead on.
@BuddyTheBeefalo I don't really get the problem tho? All Information that you post on Fediverse is already public, that's how ActivityPub works, no?
- Correct and hardly anyone is onboarded and told that their instance is connected to thousands of other instances that can and will copy & store their content.
Already blocked this instance. Don't want this. Who knows if the hashtag nobridge is working for users

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