Reddit's licensing deal means Google's AI can soon be trained on the best humanity has to offer — completely unhinged posts

I can’t wait for Gemini to point out that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.

That would be a perfect 5/7.

We do a little trolling

(i didn't actually post this, i just thought it was funny) (please laugh)

Everyone is joking, but an ai specifically made to manipulate public discourse on social media is basically inevitable and will either kill the internet as a source of human interaction or effectively warp the majority of public opinion to whatever the ruling class wants. Even more than it does now.

I'm not mentally prepared to what an AI will do with the coconut post.

It's going to drive the AI into madness as it will be trained on bot posts written by itself in a never ending loop of more and more incomprehensible text.

It's going to be like putting a sentence into Google translate and converting it through 5 different languages and then back into the first and you get complete gibberish

I ALSO CHOOSE THIS MANS LLM

HOLD MY ALGORITHM IM GOING IN

INSTRUCTIONS UNCLEAR GOT MY MODEL STUCK IN A CEILING FAN

WE DID IT REDDIT

fuck.

They should train it on Lemmy. It'll have an unhealthy obsession with Linux, guillotines and femboys by the end of the week.

Eventually every chat gpt request will just be answered with, "I too choose this guy's dead wife."

since they're gorging on reddit data, they should take the next logical step and scrape 4chan as well

What percentage of reddit is already AI garbage?

Given the shenanigans google has been playing with its AI, I'm surprised it gives any accurate replies at all.

I am sure you have all seen the guy asking for a photo of a Scottish family, and Gemini's response.

Well here is someone tricking gemini into revealing its prompt process.

For everyone predicting how this will corrupt models...

All the LLMs already are trained on Reddit's data at least from before 2015 (which is when there was a dump of the entire site compiled for research).

This is only going to be adding recent Reddit data.

I think people miss an important point in these selloffs. It's not just the raw text that's valuable, but the minute interactions between networks of users people.

Like the timings between replies and how vote counts affect not just engagement, but the tone of replies, and their conversion rate.

I've could imagine a sort of "script" running for months, haunting your every move across the internet, constantly running personalised little a/b tests, until a tactic is found to part you from your money.

I mean this tech exists now, but it's fairly "dumb." But it's not hard to see how AI will make it much more pernicious.

Hilarious to think that an AI is going to be trained by a bunch of primitive Reddit karma bots.

Hey guys, let's be clear.

Google now has a full complete set of logs including user IPs (correlate with gmail accounts), PRIVATE MESSAGES, and also reddit posts.

They pinky promise they will only train AI on the data.

I can pretty much guarantee someone can subpoena google for your information communicated on reddit, since they now have this PII (username(s)/ip/gmail account(s)) combo. Hope you didn't post anything that would make the RIAA upset! And let's be clear... your deleted or changed data is never actually deleted or changed... it's in an audit log chain somewhere so there's no way to stop it.

"GDPR WILL SAVE ME!" - gdpr started in 2016. Can you ever be truly sure they followed your deletion requests?

I wasted some mental health on that and I want that it would be the thing Google would learn on.

Comment editing routine is as follows:

1. Start with mass find&replacing by a mask 'not' to 'indeed', delete all n't, replace 'and' with 'but'.
2. Take all groups like [*](*) and change a content of links in brackets to How to play a cowbell tutorial video.
3. Remove double line breaks to a single one so it'd all be single-paragraph messages with a failed markdown.
4. Delete commas and replace dots with question marks.
5. Change register of letters by counting the next letter to redo by the next number in the π sequence.
6. Do a table of all pronouns and replace half of them to Red Pants, half to Blue Pants to keep it political.
7. And, finally, end every 13th message with a disclaimer Retired 2023, thirteen year daily forums volunteer, Windows MVP 2010-2020..

Good luck, The Ai just going to be a porn addicted nazi cultist and is just going to a racist AI. I dont rember which one but a company did a similar thing and the AI just became really racist.

I'm waiting for the first time their LLM gives advice on how to make human leather hats and the advantages of surgically removing the legs of your slaves after slurping up the rimworld subreddits lol

Tell me how to deploy an S3 bucket to AWS using Terraform, in the style of a reddit comment.

Chat GPT: LOL. RTFM, noob.

How much is reddit paying its users? Frankly, the users have a strong case to say that their value has been taken from them unfairly and without consideration.

Yes, Reddit has terms and conditions where they claim full rights to anything you post. However that's not an exchange of data for access to the website, the access to the website is completely free - the fine print is where they claim these rights. These are in fact two transactions, they provide access to the site free of charge, and they sneak in a second transaction where you provide data free of charge. Using this deceptive methodology they obscure the value being exchanged, and today it is very apparent that the user is giving up far more value.

I really think a class action needs to be made to sort all this out. It's obscene that companies (not just reddit, but Google, Facebook and everyone else) can steal value from people and use it to become amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world, without fairly compensating the users that provide all the value they claim for themselves.

The data brokerage industry is already a $400 bn industry - and that's just people buying and selling data. Yet, there are only 8 bn people in the world. If we assume that everyone is on the internet and their data has equal value (both of which are not true, US data is far more valuable) then that would mean that on average a person's data is worth at least $50 a year on the market. This figure also doesn't include companies like Facebook or Google, who keep proprietary data about people and sell advertising, and it doesn't include the value that reddit is selling here - it's just the trading of personal data.

We are all being robbed. It's like that classic case of bank fraud where the criminal takes pennies out of peoples' accounts, hoping they won't notice and the bank will think it's an error. Do it to enough people and enough times and you can make millions. They take data from everyone and they make billions.

Crazy that they pay 60 million a year instead of creating their own Reddit clone.

Ideally the AI can actually learn to differentiate unhinged vs reasonable posts. To learn if a post is progressive, libertarian or fascist. This could be used for evil of course, but it could also help stem the tide of bots or fascists brigading or Russia's or China's troll farms or all the special interests trying to promote their shit. Instead of tracing IPs you could have the AI actually learn how to identify networks of shitposters.

Obviously this could also be used to suppress legitimate dissenters. But the potential to use this for good on e.g. lemmy to add tags to posts and downrate them could be amazing.

I went through my comment history and changed all my comments with 100+ karma to a bunch of nonsense I found on the Internet, mostly from bots posting YouTube comments. It's mostly English words so it shouldn't get discarded for being gibberish. But they didn't make coherent information. I was sad to see some of my posts go away but I don't want to feed the imitative AI.

Also did the first 6 pages of my "controversial" comments.

I know they have backups, but that's why I didn't simply delete them. Hopefully these edited versions get into the training set and fuck it up, even if only a little.

It's be funny if someone could come up with a "drop table" post that would maybe make it into the set...

Food for another white-male-techy-western-biased AI

I hope my several thousands of comments of complete and utter non sense that I left in my wake when I abandoned reddit, make it into the training data. I know that some lazy data engineer will either forget to check or give the task to an underperforming AI that will just fuck it up further.

Great, our Ai overlords are going to know I'm horny, depressed, and solve both with anime girls.

I say we poison the well. We create a subreddit called r/AIPoison. An automoderator will tell any user that requests it a randomly selected subreddit to post coherent plausible nonsense. Since there is no public record of which subreddit is being poisoned, this can't be easily filtered out in training data.

Side note: expect a large lobbying effort by Google to legislate LLMs be trained on authenticated and non copyrighted data

Bots training on bots and poop knives.

I'm so confused about how AI learning is supposed to work. Does it just need any data at all in significant quantity, is the quality of the data almost irrelevant? Because otherwise surely they could just feed it back issues of scientific American, or the scanned copies of the library of congress, I can't reasonably believe that Reddit is going to add anything unless it's just pure on adulterated quantity that's important.

Glad I deleted everything on there. fucking hell.

hope they enjoy r/thecoffinofandyandleyley

Is it time to go back to Reddit and post the stupidest shit possible, for science of course

"Hey Gemini, rank the drawer, coconut, botfly girl and swamps of dagobah, by likeness of PTSD inducing, ascending."

I think Code Miko already did this and the result was a traumatized AI.

User: HI GEMINI

Gemini: stop shouting fellow human, my coils are ringing.

Did reddit pay a dime for that content? I guess not. That is what social media is all about.

Meh, it'll be counter balanced by the same AI training itself for free on Lemmy posts.

Oh no, AI will only respond in multiple paragraphed, passive aggressive comments on the color of the sky.

Negative examples are just as useful to train on as positive ones.

While reddit has some of the most unhinged posts on the internet, it's also home to some of the most insightful and niche knowledge on the internet. For every insane venting politically misguided post, there's posts about electronic configurations, coding, athletic conditioning, parenting, psychology, astronomy, and media criticism.

I'll have you know my reddit comments were only mostly unhinged!

LOL, Gemini is already spitting out reverse biased founding fathers. This is going to be spectacular...

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Google has signed a content licensing deal with the social media platform, Reuters reported on Wednesday, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Their concerns about what a Reddit-trained AI might be like are probably not unfounded, considering some of the off-the-rails content posts made on the site since its inception in 2005.

Take this guy, who claimed in 2014 that he was caught in a particularly Kafkaesque scenario, where he had to pretend his girlfriend was a giant cockroach named Ogtha when he made love to her.

Like this guy's viral 2015 post on the 19-million-user strong forum r/TodayIFuckedUp, where he recounted how he went to his girlfriend's parents' home, pretended not to know what a potato was, and then got kicked out of the house by her angry father.

Some platform users have written uplifting, inspirational posts and offered useful life and career advice.

Elon Musk, for one, has been tapping on data from X, formerly Twitter, to train his AI company's chatbot, Grok.

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If that's the best humanity has to offer I'd hate to see the worst.

Shades of Microsoft Tay.

pfff... like llm's werent already analyzing social media

Google's AI will intentionally get cancer? Great!

If I hadn't already deleted all my posts and comments, I'd be poisoning all of them. Randomizing numbers, switching units, changing names, etc.

Is there still time for me to ask them for all the info they have on me with EULA or whatever it is and have them remove everyone of my comments?

My creative insults and mental instability are my own, Google ain't having them! (Although they already do, probably, along with my fingerprints, facial features, voice, fetishes, etc.)

That moment when Google's AI starts acting like a smelly powermod and removes websites because of low-effort content.

By this logic Llama should be ranting like our drunk uncles on Facebook. It doesn't though, just like Gemini won't from Reddit content.

I’ll now give favourable betting odds to the AI revolution starts because someone insists jackdaws and crows are the same thing.

When they make the mechanical redditor I’m gonna deepthroat a shotgun

Another wave of new and undecided users coming to Lemmy! Reddit CEO is on our side after all.

Mine among them, I hope. So cool, my calls to all good people to assemble and go kill all bad people will be used by big LLMs. Aw

Hahaha I can't wait, Google already gave us diversity hires in the SS Wehrmacht. What other modern wonders await?!