How native Hawaiians feel about the occupation regime
How native Hawaiians feel about the occupation regime
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in 1959, with a 93%+ majority:
Hawaii—a U.S. territory since 1898—became the 50th state in August, 1959, following a referendum in Hawaii in which more than 93% of the voters approved the proposition that the territory should be admitted as a state.
There were many Hawaiian petitions for statehood during the first half of the 20th century. The voters wished to participate directly in electing their own governor and to have a full voice in national debates and elections that affected their lives. The voters also felt that statehood was warranted because they had demonstrated their loyalty—no matter what their ethnic background—to the U.S. to the fullest extent during World War II.
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On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaiʻi to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it. The referendum asked voters to choose between accepting the Act and remaining a U.S. territory. The United Nations' Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaiʻi from its list of non-self-governing territories.
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I think it's more than a little dishonest to say that the native Hawaiians voted for this. At the time of this referendum, they composed about 15% of the population and their culture and identity had been suppressed for generations.
The US government even admitted in 1993 that the native people never agreed to this.
I think it’s more than a little dishonest to say that the native Hawaiians voted for this.
almost as dishonest as claiming is said something I didn’t and then moving the goalposts to win an argument…
At the time of this referendum, they composed about 15% of the population and their culture and identity had been suppressed for generations.
irrelevant. sad, but irrelevant. thy got to vote, just like anyone else, and, even by your numbers, 2/3 of THAT population voted for statehood.
The US government even admitted in 1993 that the native people never agreed to this.
that’s not what that says, but it’s nice to know how easy it is for you to lie to try to get ahead in an argument. “winning” online debates must be very important for you.
Swarming lands with your settlers and then claiming b-but they muh voted for it, is peak lib cracker imperialism. The french did the same in New Caledonia.
Don't forget about saying the settlers have a legitimate say on what happens to Hawaii.
Swarming lands with your settlers and then claiming b-but they muh voted for it, is peak lib cracker imperialism. The french did the same in New Caledonia.
so, when you can’t argue with facts, you rest to redefining words, personal insults, and racist slurs.
classy
I didn’t argue with you, I made clear statements about your nature and your character. Its up to you to change that and if you refuse, well thats just proves me right in the end.
I didn’t argue with you
yeah, that’s why I said “when you can’t argue…”
I made clear statements about your nature and your character
you had a tantrum and hurtled racist slurs and insults
well thats just proves me right in the end.
you’e right because you have racist tantrums and can’t make rational, fact-based arguments? interesting take...
racist slurs
93% of natives or all inhabitants?
as you can clearly see,
On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaiʻi to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it.
Not al residents are natives, right? So what % of natives voted in favor?
so, now you’re moving the goalposts because you didn’t like the answer...
Check title of this post. Do you see the word "native" there? In the title of this post that we're commenting in? "Native"? You see it?
I see the comment I replied to, the context and words used, and how it was changed to suit an argument once the facts became inconvenient.
perhaps you should pay closer attention to the conversation before you jump in unprepared.
Perhaps it was you that didn't pay attention to the title in the first place? Perhaps it's you that is raising the goal post? Perhaps, now that two different people explained to you that "people who live there" clearly meant "natives" it's time to acknowledge your mistake? Perhaps now that you've been explained what "occupation" means it's time to stop pretending we're talking about something else entirely?
Perhaps it was you that didn’t pay attention to the title in the first place?
see, I have proof, you have madboi rage you can’t process like a healthy person, so you direct it outwards at the person who pointed out - with evidence - that you’re wrong. classy.
now that two different people explained to you that “people who live there” clearly meant “natives”
you mean “moved the goalposts when they could win an argument and on facts”. lying now when there’s plenty f evidence here proving that you’re lying is a pretty bad way to try to convince someone of something.
Perhaps now that you’ve been explained what “occupation” means
I don’t need a bunch of angry trolls who can’ open their mouths without lies, rage, childish insults, and logical fallacies falling out to “explain” anything to me.
I don’t need a bunch of angry trolls who can’ open their mouths without lies, rage, childish insults, and logical fallacies falling out to “explain” anything to me.
I'm pretty sure you understand what we're talking about here: what Native Hawaiians think about being part of the US. Your argument was that once native Hawaiians became minority there was a vote and the majority of immigrant, non-native inhabitants voted to legalize it's status so it's OK. I pointed out, that since we're taking about Native Hawaiians it doesn't really matter how non-natives voted on it. Instead of addressing this you just started using the old argument of "look only on the literal meaning of this comment and ignore the whole point of this discussion". And now here we are. You're angry and rejecting all arguments because being right about one phrase is more important to you than actually talking about this issue. Ok, so you win. You win the pointless discussion about one comment. Are you happy now? Can we now go back to the original point and talk about native Hawaiians? Or you're not actually interested in the topic and are here only to do some light trolling?
I’m pretty sure you understand what we’re talking about here:
I’m pretty sure I see through your logical fallacies and am not buying your mental gymnastics to cover for them.
this isn’t about “winning” just because that’s how you see the world, although I would categorically say that you’ve lost. lost time, lost face, and certainly lost your mind if you think you’ve won anything here.
Or you’re not actually interested in the topic and are here only to do some light trolling?
says the troll, lmao
The discussion is about US OCCUPYING Hawaii. Imagine thinking that a referendum of the occupiers on whether they want to keep occupying is a valid way to decide whether people who have bee OCCUPIED agree with the occupation. It's like if I moved into your house and put a gun to your head, and then ran a referendum to see if I should stay there.
The fact that you don't understand how idiotic your argument is shows what an utter imbecile you are.
The discussion is about US OCCUPYING Hawaii
WRONG. you changed the subject to a straw man argument when you couldn’t argue the facts in good faith. Right here:
going by your comment history, logical fallacies are something you’re an expert at wielding and often get comments removed and your account banned for it (and or your habit of throwing insult-ridden tantrums when your bad-faith tactics fail)
The fact that you don’t understand how idiotic your argument is shows what an utter imbecile you are.
oh, look, more childish name-calling because you can’t argue in good faith based on the facts, and I’m some idiot who will fall fr your little tricks.
WRONG. you changed the subject to a straw man argument when you couldn’t argue the facts in good faith. Right here:
I see you have reading comprehension problems, which I guess is no surprise given that you communicate almost exclusively in children's pictures. The quote you screenshotted very clearly talks about the native population of Hawaii. You know the people who live there, not the people who are occupying them. Imagine not being able to understand that.
going by your comment history, logical fallacies are something you’re an expert at wielding and often get comments removed and your account banned for it (and or your habit of throwing insult-ridden tantrums when your bad-faith tactics fail)
Sounds like you're talking about yourself there colonizer.
oh, look, more childish name-calling because you can’t argue in good faith based on the facts, and I’m some idiot who will fall fr your little tricks.
I'm just making a basic observation about your level of intelligence based on your comment history. You are objectively an imbecile. This isn't me trying to insult you, that's just a basic fact.
I see you have reading comprehension problems
more insults not based in fact. just because I don’t fall for your countless logical fallacies and outright lies - all of which I’ve posted out and explained in detail - doesn’t mean I have any problems reading or comprehending. you’re just mad I keep calling you out. hence the insults.
and if you can’t even win an augment against “children’s pictures”… well, that’s certainly a self-own, as far as I’m concerned.
Sounds like you’re talking about yourself there colonizer.
“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
I’m just making a basic observation
you’re hurling insults because you’re mad, and can’t make an argument based on the facts. but keep trying to convince me you’re “entertained” while throwing name-calling tantrums, lmao
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