Annoying

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Then comes a commercial break and all hell breaks loose with the sound levels.
- What are commercial breaks?... I stopped watching TV many moons ago. I stream and sail the seven seas.
  
  Ads are making a comeback on streaming services. Not only Youtube, which is now getting more serious about blocking ad-blockers, but even on paid streaming. Netflix has an ad supported tier, Amazon runs ads for its own stuff (so far)...
- Came here to say this. I HATE it when I set a reasonable volume level for the show, and all the commercials are twice as loud. Grrr!
  
  It's 2023 why are you seeing commercials 🏴‍☠️
- I was watching a "free" movie on Tubi the other day, when a commercial came on and blasted my eardrums. It really took me back.
  For it was my late childhood and early adolescence that our family finally achieved cable television. If you fell asleep with the TV on, god help you when it woke you up at 2 AM with a commercial louder than an atomic blast playing Enya and Enigma in Pure Moods.
  Glory to Cable Networks and bless the FCC for the awakenings. For even though everyone hated the constant volume change, the FCC was powerless to stop it against the might of The Telecommunications act of 1994, which they themselves crafted with the wisdom of the telecom industry. Specifically these glorious sentences:
  Title III: Regulatory Reform - Bars any State or local statute, regulation, or legal requirement from prohibiting the ability of any entity to provide interstate or intrastate telecommunications services.
  and
  Title VII: Media Diversity - Requires the FCC to complete a proceeding to: (1) modify or remove national and local ownership rules on radio and television broadcast stations to ensure that broadcasters are able to compete fairly with other media providers and that the public receives information from a diversity of media sources; (2) review a certain ownership restriction with respect to cable operators and report to the Congress on whether such restriction serves the public interest; and (3) consider the applicability of the FCC's rules regarding network non-duplication protection, syndicated exclusivity protection, and sports programming exclusivity to programmers whose programs are transmitted on common carrier video platforms.
  Which, among other things, allowed monopolies in media including ClearChannel which quickly ruined radio for everyone. Bless us all.
- The commercials on B104 in the lehigh valley of PA in the morning are so loud it's distorted.
  
  Hello Lehigh Valley resident. I've formerly lived there.

I was gripping about this last night. Actors practically whispering. Had to move to headphones. Many times i wonder why the industry can't seem to properly mic the scene or pick a decent cohesive/compatible decimal range.
- There is a lot that goes in to sound engineering in order to make a movie going experience really good. Basically the sound is engineered to sound really good on the 100ish channels that movie theaters have, but when going to a home they have to crunch all that down to work with a 2.1 or 5.1 etc and there is inevitably loss due to overlapping frequencies and even immersive aspects. How can a voice seem to be as loud as an explosion for example.
  On top of those difficulties you have directors like Christopher Nolan who has said that he doesn’t care about home audio and that his movies are made to be seen in a theater.
  
  But why do they do it in TV series as well? It’s not like I’m watching better call Saul in cinema.
  
  There is a lot that goes in to sound engineering in order to make a movie going experience really good. Basically the sound is engineered to sound really good on the 100ish channels that movie theaters have, but when going to a home they have to crunch all that down to work with a 2.1 or 5.1 etc and there is inevitably loss due to overlapping frequencies and even immersive aspects. How can a voice seem to be as loud as an explosion for example.
  A simple sound compression of the entire signal would solve the issue. VLC player has this feature and it's working perfectly.
  
  unfortunately it sounds like this in the cinema too. Dialogue is barely understandable and 80% of the scenes are so dark, it looks like shot with an iPhone under moon light.
  Just compare with any movie from the 80’s or early 90’s.
  I personally reached a point where don’t even bother to pirate those movies anymore.
  
  I sure hopes cinemas will die out sooner rather than later.
- They can. You're listening to the incorrect audio stream on your device. Your device has to request the stereo stream from Netflix or whatever, otherwise it'll just send you a surround stream and then your TV will downmix it badly... resulting in quiet dialogue.
  /work in the industry, we have to hit specific loudness averages and ranges for both dialogue and overall mix. -24 LUFS, if you're curious.

The main reason why I bought an Appletv. Its "reduce loud sounds" feature is amazing
- I never knew I needed this

You preparing yourself for Oppenheimer?

It's actually the way the sound is remixed these days. I'm not going deaf😮‍💨. Old movie dialogue is loud and crisp as fuck. Just watch some TCM.
- Because it's compressed, overdriven, and clipped to hell. Audio equipment back then didn't have much dynamic range. People had to almost scream their lines to be picked up clearly by the mics. Actors used to be trained to compensate for poor audio recording with a certain speaking technique.
  
  Funny how that made for a better watching experience.
- That's because old movies were mixed stereo or mono, not surround, and your TV can naturally handle stereo or mono.
  The problem most people in this thread are having is a result of their TV crappily downmixing a surround signal to a stereo signal. You have to set your streaming device to request the stereo stream from your streaming service if you don't have a full-on home theater. Devices by default request the surround stream.
  Any time this comes up in conversation at someone's house, I set their device to request the stereo stream, and it's fixed. Every time.

I honestly believe this crap should be illegal. The visual equivalent is GoT's level of just blackness. I can't afford a damn OLED TV you fools. And besides Lord of the Rings had the perfect solution to show darkness two decades ago.

Tvs with built in decibels limiter when?
- my apple tv does this. underrated feature

In my experience, this is intentional. You're watching a thing with full dynamic range sound. Honestly, the intention is for you to have a decent speaker system and to turn it up so you can hear the dialog comfortably. The loud parts will be loud and that is the intent. Why would they make the loud parts quiet? An explosion isn't supposed to be quiet. They shouldn't make it quiet for the sake of you listening to it through your TV's built in speakers at 2 in the morning while the rest of the house is asleep. If you need the dynamic range to be compressed for your purposes you can do that yourself. Many devices have this option these days. My Roku has "leveling" and "night" modes which compress the dynamic range so there's not such a difference between the quiet parts and the loud parts.
- A lot of us live in apartments and choose not to be obnoxious assholes to our neighbors. Wheres the sound mix for us?
  If you have to keep changing the volume throughout the movie, the audio engineer did a bad job, period.
  
  Dude you can just turn on the "night" mode on whatever device you're using and completely solve your problem. You don't blame the sun for being too bright, you just put on sun glasses.
- That explosion isn't real, it's not actually filmed at night, actors didn't really get shot, isn't filmed in real time.
  If you have to start editing the movie yourself, to make it watchable, some story teller isn't doing their job. I guess we're at the Ikea point of 'movies', some assembly required.
- Not all horror movies are mixed for a hundred odd channels, right? Yet even horror movies have whispered dialogues
  I think we can all agree that a lot of tension stems from dialogues

The Nvidia Shield TV (small Android media player) has a built-in way to normalize audio in all apps running on it. It works great!
- We used to call it "compression" and itwas an essential part of the recording process. It seems TV shows don't do that anymore.
  
  It's still called that way: Dynamic range compression
- It does? Can you give me a hint?
  
  It's part of the Nvidia firmware since version 9.1: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/software-update/
  
  It's called night listening mode. You can also place it in the quick menu for easier switching.

Matrix was terrible for this. Literal explosions and gunshots constantly. Literally all dialogue was whispered. Don't get me started on the damn rave club where they were talking normally. Like that's possible.

Looking at you, Dune.
- And avatar 2 was terrible for this, too.

i'm seeing oppenheimer in a week; i'm beyond excited because of the hype and loving historical drama but i cannot stand chris nolan. i watched the prestige recently and they made the electricity sounds 1000x louder than the dialog [and cut the movie intentionally to make it a pain in the ass to follow instead of just telling the story straight, because that was the thing to do in 2010]

Old movies have a constant level of audio. Current movies audio levels are like a sine wave.

KIRYU-CHAN

Blame your TV, not the content. Or, blame yourself if you like for not buying a soundbar or soundsystem.
A lot of TVs these days have Night Mode or the like. That's the fix!
PS Downvoting me for... What exactly? Because I told you two solutions and neither of them are what you prefer? TVs are literally paper thin and physically can't have good speakers except for special cases in the high end. Buy a soundbar, even though they suck and apparently people these days are scared of plugging one more cable into something, or get a stereo system for the same price and plug in two more things (speakers) that can fit anywhere on your wall or whatever.

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