linuxmemes @lemmy.world onlinepersona @programming.dev 4 mo. ago

Arch celebrating plasma 6 dropping a week after NixOS

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...NixOS is the new Arch Linux. Change my mind.
- Hardly, NixOS documentation is trash. The Arch Wiki is essentially the platonic ideal of documentation.
  
  Truefax
  
  Maybe you should learn to read the manual or debug your system without hand holding 😉
- The difference is I can upgrade my NixOS without breaking everything hahaha. But it has gotten a lot more popular recently, which I think is your analogy? Or because people always bring it up now lol
  
  yea i think its the popularity spike. if only there were more docs on flakes though.
  
  i actually managed to somewhat break it. But a rollback just immediately fixed it again.
- It doesn't have a wiki as good as Arch, yet
- Nah, NixOS has a very deserved air of superiority. Arch just fakes its one.
with the linux logo on his face
- 😂 a freudian slip
  
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  Why do you include the CC link in all of your comments...?
I gotta say and it feels weird to but I'm happy Arch are spending a bit longer testing these days. When I used to run it updates just felt rushed into the repo so Arch got it first.
- "bleeding edge"
  
  But maybe Arch doesn't purport to be bleeding edge anymore.
  
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  Getting plasma 6 a week after it drops is still “bleeding edge” when the alternative is a couple months
Seriously, the learning curve of nixOS is still... exhausting. Couldn't get it to run with plasma 6 and wayland and the documentation is so incomplete.

Edit: Typo
- That's unfortunately true. There's a community effort to document stuff without going through the lengthy process of getting it approved by overworked maintainers: https://nixlang.wiki
  
  Feel free to contribute your learnings there.
  
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- Are you starting fresh or did it work with another DE? Might help in tracking down the problem
  
  Fresh install on a VM. Was a bit confused that the default was Xorg. Changing both to wayland and to Plasma 6 was too complicated for me.
  
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- At least rolling back after you broke it was easy. :)
  
  When it's the first thing you tried after a fresh install, it's quite frustrating.
Couldn't Arch users just install it through the Nix Package manager?
- NixOS users install KDE using a NixOS config option, as there's a lot of configuration needed to make KDE run beyond just installing the binaries.
- And set up all the systemd services themselves? Sure. Have at it.
  
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You people
- Yes, we the people! Rise up, comrad!
  
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  In Russia people rise into you!
  
  Seriously though I can always spot your comments from the link you always include.
- Sassy Black Woman: What do you mean "You people"?
Can't you just build from source of you want it? Like kde has pretty good docs for this.
- But compiler scawy
  
  xD true
- It was also already in Arch's KDE-unstable repo. I've been using Plasma 6 for like 3 months.
- Compiling source code tends to get messy when you decide to remove it from your system. Also, you'll have to manually update it, any package manager will be unaware of it and can't do anything with it anyway. You'll also be responsible for dealing with conflicts with other software or dependency issues. That's why we have repos. Someone else did all that work already.
  
  I keep my compiler packages in my home folder and them simlinked to .local/bin. This makes it easier to find and remove your manually compiled packages when ur done. If it's a git repo u can just pull and compile the latest tag to update.
- Of course, but that doesn't add it to the package repo.
  
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LFS users are like

GTFO
fun fact: you could add the extra-testing to repo to get it the first day
Considering all of my theming and several of my apps have broken today, and that I’ve had two crashes… I’m glad they took longer.
@onlinepersona@programming.dev not really about this post, but i see that you have a license link in all your comments. Just curious, do you copy-paste that every time or do you have some automated setup?
- I do copy paste it. KDE has a tool called klipper that allows to have a clipboard history, so hitting Super+V brings up a dropdown and I can select it. The effort is therefore minimal.
  
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  Consider using the KDE keyboard shortcut tools to set up a permanent paste keybind instead of using the history.
  
  For example, I have a keybind that sends a known mouse movement input, which I use to set that known mouse input to always correspond to ten centimeters of on-screen movement.
  
  Using a keybind would remove the need to ever select the right item from the history, and reduce the clutter in it for copy-pasting other things.
They removed legacy font based DPI scaling. I hate it. Nothing looks right 😭
- There used to be an option in plasmasettings/appearance/fonts called DPI. It was basically the same as the scaling in display and monitor, but with a different underlying implementation which seems to result in less random empty space.
- Could you explain what that is?
  
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  Plasma used to have 2 ways of dealing with pixil density settings and they removed my favorite one. It's been deprecated for ages so I knew it was coming but it still hurt
How long until "works on my machine" becomes "works on my config"

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