EU may slap retroactive tariffs on Chinese EVs as Commission finds evidence that China has been “unfairly” subsidizing its EV exports
EU may slap retroactive tariffs on Chinese EVs as Commission finds evidence that China has been “unfairly” subsidizing its EV exports
Europe says it has found evidence that China has been “unfairly” subsidizing its EV exports to Europe. Possible “remedies” include retroactive tariffs.
The European Commission says China hasn’t been playing fair in that its government has been paying subsidies through “direct transfer of funds,” among other actions, reports Reuters – which the EC says tips the balance in China’s favor and leaves European automakers out to dry.
Back in October 2023, Europe launched its formal investigation into the Chinese EV industry, as European companies are struggling to compete with the cheap, high-tech Chinese imports, made by low-cost labor, entering the European Union.
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Sorry, haven't almost all our European industries relied heavily on government subsidies, privatization of previously public entities, protectionism and so on? China is a socialist country, of course the government is subsidizing production. The reality is that China is outcompeting capitalist Europe (now sacrificed by the US) on capitalist terms. This move seems like an abandonment of free market laissez faire thinking in favour of mercantilism/outright iron curtain, while blaming it on the other guy.
China is a socialist country,
Lol
average lemmy.ml mf
Well, yeah, it's complicated and all that, but still. For instance, did you know Huawei is a cooperative? I just learned.
Well, yeah, it's complicated and all that, but still. For instance, did you know Huawei is a cooperative? I just learned.
Everything depends on the central government in China, whether it is a cooperative, a listed company, or a single person critical of the CCP. In tbe end, nothing happens without a highly centralized government.
I think it's hard to tell and would advise against bombastic blanket statements like this, especially on China. We're talking about one billion people and the world's largest economy, after all. Our ability to clearly analyze China is hindered by its own opaqueness, but one should not forget the thick layer of propaganda we in the West are served whenever we're talking about one of the so-called strategic adversaries.
the world’s largest economy
Incorrect. It is the second or third largest, behind the USA and the EU, depending on whether you count the EU as one economic entity.
I posted a link above, there's enough information available and certainly more than one can post here. In a nutshell: nothing good ever comes from an authoritarian regime.
There you go again making blanket statements, giving you a look of either being a little daft and unnuanced or some kind of propagandist. "Nothing good", unless you count biggest lift of people from poverty in history. Imagine two people being born in the sixties in India and China respectively. Both are dirt poor back then. Today one will still be poor, still in a third world country, while the other drives EVs, get their power from worlds largest green energy infrastructure, has working public services, best train system, etc.
Imagine two people being born in the sixties in India and China respectively.
I will happily imagine. Will you?
China: 55 million dead.
India: not.
Please note that the 55 million estimate is from a CCP party school official, not from a western historian - thus we can safely conclude that the number may well be higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
And I say this as someone as far left as left goes. We must not be blind to the crimes that have been committed, and are being committed, by terrible dictatorships that hide behind the ideas of Marx.
China is a state capitalist dictatorship engaged in genocide as we speak. Whether or not they have the audacity to call themselves socialist, or even communist, does not change their crimes.
And I say this as someone as far left as left goes.
This is much like beginning a comment with "I'm not racist, but", with the inevitable horrible racism that follows. Your comment is such a gross simplification of history and dismissal of context, that it borders on the malign. For instance the number in your source says 15-55 million, not 55 million. The ideological broadside is very apparent. Facts not feelings, to paraphrase a broken clock.
- Yes, China had a terrible famine in the 60s, but far left people tend to consider it in context China's historical famines, as well as the many millions dead to capitalist induced famine.
- Leftists tend to consider deaths and consequences of capitalist imperialism when discussing foreign and developing nations.
- Today India is listed as a country in "Serious" risk in the Global Hunger Index, while China is of course "Low".
These are just three aspects of context, of many, which you could have chosen to inform your comment. In stead it is perpetuating a US-vs-Them cold war, black and white rhetoric, making the West out to be exceptionally good, while China is entirely bad. Smart people smell the lies included in such oversimplification a long way. You run fast and loose with your facts, presenting allegations of Uyghur genocide as fact, while you probably know how the UN will not call it that, after long running and thorough investigations, a lack of evidence, etc. On the other hand, we in Europe are very much facilitating the ongoing genocide in Palestine, of which there is ample coverage.
For instance the number in your source says 15-55 million, not 55 million.
Your statement is incorrect. I will quote for you.
Death toll in millions: 55
Researcher: Yu Xiguang (余习广)
Yu is an independent Chinese historian and a former instructor at the Central Party School of the Chinese Communist Party, estimated that 55 million people died due to the famine. His conclusion was based on two decades of archival research.
Facts not feelings, to paraphrase a broken clock.
There is so much irony in this sentence, that if it were edible, could feed the people Mao killed and then some.
Much of the rest of your response jumps back and forth between ad hominem, whataboutism, non sequitur, false equivalence and condescension to such an extent that it does not warrant a reply.
Ad hominem, whataboutism
There it is, the cry of the beaten information warrior
Sorry, haven't almost all our European industries relied heavily on government subsidies
Yes, and that stuff is factored in on every trade agreement the EU signs. The Chinese subsidies were not so now they are making the adjustments.
Trade agreements inside the European single market? What are you on about, buddy? Seems like lazy apologetics. Of course there are state aid rules in the EU, but the fact of the matter is that everyone from Hugo Boss to Seat and Nokia has been on the receiving end of favorable conditions from their home countries (Nazi uniform contracts in Boss' case). Hell, even the American giants like Microsoft and Apple are propped up on government contracts.
Trade agreements with places like the United States, China, etc.
Ok, I misunderstood you.
A lot of EU products with national subsidies are usually only available at a cheaper price to occupants in that country. I know it works that way for french car brands.
Honestly, when it comes to helping their national companies get ahead in the global market, European countries aren't that different from anywhere else. It's like a global game where everyone's trying to sneak their products into the lead with a little help from home. Think of it as governments giving their players the best gear, secret strategies, and even a map of shortcuts. Whether it's subsidies, regulatory loopholes, or strategic support, the end goal is the same: make sure our team wins, even if it means bending the rules of fair play. So next time you see a European car or product leading the pack, remember, it might have had a little "help" getting there.