These are the privacy permissions that you grant for Meta's new twitter competitor

“Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.“

How the fuck did Harvard students act so stupid and give out their info like that? I thought they were like the smartest people in the US. 🤔
- Most Harvard students are still just 18-22 year old "kids". Think of how dumb/naive you were at that age.
- smartest people in the US
  The problem is that that is a very low bar to overcome
- Nah, it's just the kids of the wealthiest people and a handful of diversity admissions.
This is still I think the most telling glimpse into who the "ZUCK" really is. Looking at what meta has become, how it has operated... No matter how professional and respectable he acts.
This is who he really is.
- I don't it's a fair assessment - dude was just a kid.
  I've watched some podcasts and interviews and I think he's a much more complex of a person. I do genuinely think he's thinks he's doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
  Even if you hate Facebook it brought people together in so many places, especially if you consider developing world.
Woah! How is this real?

This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!

But why? Isn't the whole point of federation that we can interact with people in other communities? Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub? Completely walling them off seems counterproductive
Not defending Meta, just curious
- this is why
  there is a very good chance that this project by meta is the thin end of the wedge
  (edited to include "the blogpost", link here)
- Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
  This should be common sense at this point.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
- Don’t we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  I certainly don't. I abandoned Facebook years ago because of how BS they were getting with privacy concerns and social manipulation. Last thing I want is to bring those dumpster fires here. They join the platform, I will migrate to whichever Instances defed them or leave Lemmy entirely if necessary. Simply put, it's been a breathe of rational, civil air here. While it is early days keeping that hostile-to-humanity crap out of here is obvious minimum we should be doing.
- Were talking about meta here, this is a bait and switch attempt (I see it that way)
  They launch their new twitter competitor, everyone moves over to their new twitter clone, they will try and hold the power on standarts of federation (like any big tech corporation that has a smaller rival that succedes more then them, see microsoft vs netscape for refrence)
  If they will fail with that, they will try to seduce lemmy and mastodon instaces with monetization and big money handouts, were talking about facebook here after all, they are not short of scummy tactics
- If they can embrace and extend the fediverse you know they're gonna extinguish it, too. They're s bad faith actor, we don't want them interacting with us or influencing us.
- Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
  This should be common sense at this point.
- I'm don't know how the federation protocol works exactly, but I'm pretty sure Meta can throw more resources into it than all the independent instances combined. Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of the fediverse so I don't know if that applies here, but generally once you control more than 50% of something that does not have a central authority - you became, de facto, that central authority.
- We want individuals to adopt ActivityPub. Whether that be in the form of hosting new instances or contributing content. We don't want corporations here trying to turn it into something they can use to make a profit. Once it becomes about the money it is on a death spiral like everything else before it.
- What decade are you from, dude?
- Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
- Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
  The type of things they get are
  Your profile
  Whatever you post
  Who interacts with your posts
I don’t understand why people call Facebook Meta now
I don’t accept that name
It’s Facebook
- I believe they actually changed their corporations name to Meta. As crazy as that rebranding is.
but homeboy wanting to open the fediverse to Meta really still out here like "oh, there's nothing malicious here, not at all; water's fine"
- The last thing we need is meta clawing their way around the fediverse, id rather have them stick to their own bullshit

Data this app collects: yes.

"other data"
Honestly, anyone who willingly uses any Facebook product at this point in time deserves to have their every morsel of data stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
If you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

If we're going to cast the Zuck as a sci-fi android, I'd put him as closer to Isaac (The Orville) than Data.
He may want to consume data about human interactions, but you know he's going to pepper any conversation with the phrase "inferior biologicals."
There he stood... Between us and the alley. Zuck Farkus staring out at us with his yellow eyes. He had yellow eyes! So help me God, yellow eyes!
Bro looks like he got long covid

jUsT gIvE mETa A cHAnCe iN tHe fEdIVeRsE DuRRrrpH

Meta rolling into the fediverse like the martians in Mars Attacks.
“Don’t run! We’re you’re your friends!”
- I have heard this in Zucc’s voice and it still made total sense.
- That's it, now we're gonna have to break out the Slim Whitman!
  (cues Indian Love Call)

Yeah, he's a big fan of access. May as well just make an extra category marked "everything".

That's the reason they wanted to make their own phone. They wanted it all
- I believe he actually genuinely does. Want it all. Eventually. Hence the heavy pivot into VR and AR years before its actually practical.
  Nobody can dethrone google as the gateway guardians to the internet or apple as the almighty hardware lords, but you can beat them to the next thing, whatever that is.
  If you want to be the worlds most powerful company, you gotta aim high.
Pretty sure that's the "sensitive information." Seriously, look at the other categories and tell me what's left.

Isn't that just...everything?

Like is there anything they aren't requesting?

The user interface to display what is granted by using the app is... so sanitary. It disguises the ultimate goal of these insidious apps in such a clean and sterile list that it really seems innocuous. I wish that A$pple would start to display an intensity of how much data is collected by these apps. Green for good, red for bad, gradient for in-between. Or something... I suppose that accessibility for colorblind is important oto. Then it would be a bit more obvious to users when an app is really out to get them vs trying to improve performance.
How clean your bedroom is.
For now, anyway.

Don't forget to report it inside Play Store. All of these permissions are not required, thus the app is breaking store rules.

Instagram has all the same stuff and it’s been there for years. Bet it’s also the case with Facebook
They're not permissions, they're the types of data that may be collected. Every popular closed source app has a similar obscene list of private data they may collect, but in most cases it's the user that chooses to provide that kind of information voluntarily anyways.
It’s meta. Unfortunately I’m sure their lawyers can come up with dumb bullshit excuses for every one of these.
What do you mean its not requierd, but then how will meta sell your data and make billions?/s

I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.

I've got an adblocker app running on a local VPN on my phone 24/7 specifically for this reason. I even managed to install the same app on my Fire TV.
- I tried something similar for a while. I had an OpenVPN server set up at home and would connect with my phone, so all my phone's traffic was behind the same protections as my home network. The main issue I experienced was when going through areas without cell service (which happens frequently where I live). I would have to restart my VPN client in addition to any apps that required internet connectivity. Not the safest prospect when you're streaming music and doing 70mph down the highway.
  At this point, I don't have anything to protect my phone's traffic when I'm away from home. However, essentially every app on my phone is a FOSS package, so I think the biggest risk to data privacy is probably Google.
- Can you share which one? I'd like to clean my phone up a bit.

I'm asking myself how people can accept these conditions. There is a huge work of education on privacy to be done.

There should be some sort of OS-level flag that appears before downloading to inform users along the lines of "This application requests access to more permissions than typical apps in this category do. Are you sure you wish to proceed?" Maybe with a link to an informational site about how apps can use your data and why protecting your privacy is important.
- At this point we should really be petitioning Congress. Yeah, I know, I know, but still.
- Whilst that would be fantastic. I highly doubt google or apple are even going to entertain the idea, especially when you want to download one of their apps.
- Whilst that would be fantastic. I highly doubt google or apple are even going to entertain the idea, especially when you want to download one of their apps.
- The Aurora Store for Android has this warning. I steer people I care about to Aurora Store for this reason.
I think what people need are clear examples, concisely expressed, of the explicit harm experienced by forgoing a certain quanta of privacy, since the benefits are apparent (eg gain access to a certain service/community/etc).
- You'd think the dystopia of China and what they did to Hong Kong would be enough. We hear scary stories about China that you think people would want not want that here. Or episodes of Black Mirror.

I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.

They tried to use the same excuse with their privacy policy for oculus. ie they can even watch the cameras if they want but they promise they won't.....
- pinky promise
We need massive punitive fines for misusing data farming. Data leaks of health and financial information should literally put billion dollar businesses out of business for good.
If they can't manage the data they don't deserve it, full stop.

Well if you download a Facebook owned app you should expect this.

I feel like they just went down the list of permissions and said yes to everything, they probally actually log it all too, disgusting

Why do all of Zucc companies terms and conditions have this air of desperation and grubbiness about them? 😂

No other services feel as slimy even though they're all doing mostly the same things.

Meta feels like you're interacting with a drug addicted stalker following you home

Because they are desperate. Facebook has NEVER had any good original product ideas. Ever. Everything they've ever done was brought/stolen from somebody else, including Facebook. All the good things Facebook did are their open source stuff like React and GraphQL, which they don't really make money off.
So now, they are running out of ideas to steal/buy, they probably wanted to buy TikTok with Trump's help, but that failed, and they started a TikTok clone in Instagram Reels, that also failed, so they are trying to start a Twitter clone. No original ideas, EVER. It's as simple as that.
- He became extra desperate after Apple blocked the ability for Facebook to track users
- Is it safe to say that reels has failed? It definitely didn't eat tiktoks lunch but I've used reels loads without ever using TikTok. I think it largely an age/demographic thing.
Seriously. Why does the Oculus app have to run in the background always using 2-3% of my cpu? They say it's to automatically start up when you connect the Rift but that should take like 0 resources. Can't even turn it off in startup options. You have to go into system tray or something to stop it. Facebook is just a spyware company and we all know it.
- The Oculus desktop app is a bloated mess. I wish it was just a tray tool that provided what's necessary to connect Oculus Link and use PCVR apps. Instead it pops up a bloody window every time with zombies and what not and does not even allow you to minimize it to the tray.

Zuck wants to know your location

Zuck wants to know everything 😏
- All this data and other data. No data is safe. How much poop is left on your arse after you wipe? We can make a profit out of that info too.
- Zuck knows everything.

They could have saved time by just saying "Everything"

Crazy thought, but people don't need Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, any Twitter replacement, etc. I.e. ya'll don't need 'social media'.

Lol not sure why people are surprised

Do not trust apps like this. Facebook mined this shit without any warning originally.

Anyone know Meta's track record with data?

It's got to be great if they ask for all this /s

Fuck off Zuck you fucking weirdo

Why does Zuck want to know the browser histories of people on the internet? 😳

Why would he need to know Health & Fitness?? Anything related to Facebook/Meta is pure trash.
- So he can sell your data to advertisers. Yeah, don’t use anything made by Meta that is connected to the internet.
I mean they already have a bunch of it. You know those social media buttons that could be embedded on a website. Their purpose wasn't to like or share. It was to track you by phoning home.
- Yep, thats true.
  I do use a VPN and browse via incognito/Firefox though, so my chances of being tracked are pretty low.
That's like, the biggest goldmine ever, and right now Google has all of it.

so what is the difference from Spyware and meta's services

Nothing. As is the case with most social media companies, you are the product. And they do that by spying on you. Same with many other "free" services like, YouTube, email, maps, etc.
- well that's make my cybersecurity lesson about spyware irrelevant in this environment, because every Free services are leeches for our information. but the justification for including spyware is where the data is going, and yet again very irrelevant.

Seems reasonable. Where do I put in my social security number and mother's maiden name?

It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.

But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.

If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.

I doubt it. Most of the time when I point out to someone just how much data they're giving up the response is just "so what if a chinese person knows about me"
Privacy for its own sake has lost value with the younger generations. What we really need to do is educate on the consequences and dangers of the lack of privacy.
- New gen here(19). Care about privacy, while most people i know doesn't. It does not depends on gen. It's just most people of any gen, if they get comfortable with service they would not care if it's gonna take every piece of info they have.
- Potential hot take-- am in my 30s so I dont know if I qualify in your younger generation denotation or not.
  I was raised with the thought process of 'act as if you are always on camera' to get me to act right. As I aged, it was amended to 'act as if you are always on camera... because you are.'
  Both statements were and remain to be correct. That said, I think there is something to be said about the expectation (or lack thereof) of privacy that the younger generations were raised either in or to know.
  I don't think that privacy has lost value through its own or the younger generation's volitions. I think it lost value through... everybody always being watched in one way or another.
- This is why it's so completely insane that politicians are on Twitter.
  People who are in positions where they could be black mailed should be more careful with the data they give out.

Lol fuck that, I’ll stick with mastodon

I think they're using an instance of mastodon

What "Other Data"?! Want my fuckin horoscope Zuck? How about the results of my last rectal exam? fuckin hell

What I want to know is why Apple even have some of this data to give them?
Like Purchase History, shouldn't that be between me and the retailer, why do Meta need it?
- Purchase history would just be what apple knows, not your general purchase history.
  If you use Apple Pay, for instance, they're the middleman and have to know, and anything you buy on the App Store.
  A legitimate reason to share that is a budgeting app. Facebook is taking advantage of that, obviously, but in this instance, I see no fault from apple, here, there's reason to allow an app to get that, so an app can request it, and we can deny it by not getting that app, so fuck Facebook, I'm not downloading it.
- Apple stores and sells anything they can
They need to know your blood type, for reasons....

So, what do they not collect?

It's missing something first born son I think.

That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.

I’d love for this to be true for me (if only to use ivory) but the only things I manage to find are mirrored Twitter accounts, which I assume aren’t forever.
Did you just manually look for the things you cared about?
- Yes. I've searched manually for most of mine based on my people i follow on Twitter, they are not all there, and they will be missed. I've got a few mirrored accounts I'm following, but it's not the end of the world if they get cut off from the blue bird (they are mostly sports team feeds). I have also gone back to RSS feeds for my news feed. I like the social aspect of Twitter, it's just turned into a hate platform that scientifically exploits its users by making it addicting to doom scroll. And the interactions I've had on Mastadon/Lemmy are way more wholesome than there, fediverse really does remind me of the early days of Digg/Reddit/Twitter.

I assume you wouldn't need to sign up. If you already have a FB or Instagram account, you would just be able to log in directly
I only have a Facebook so I can save data on games that don't accept google. That and so I can download my dad's posts to send to friends, but i just based it off one of my ocs so it's not even me on there

I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?

Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.

I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?

So just everything then.

Quite literally. What would "Other Data" even be, your inner thoughts?
- Almost, probably biometrics and passive camera/mic usage
- Quite literally. What would “Other Data” even be, your inner thoughts?
  They wanna know when I have a piss. Damn it, that's a trade secret!

Don't allow Zuck and the billionaire anti-democracy tech bros into Federation.

Well, that's a big nope....

why does need health and fitness? does not make sense but is excessively harvesting data

More information = more accurately targeted advertising
- Insurance companies are thirst for that info.
Their justification will be some hokey crap that they can tell whether your active from your movement, which they can detect using the health/fitness via step counts etc.

This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.

so basically everything they can get from you?

Not defending this, but isn't this basically also what Instagram (and every other mainstream social media app) takes? Doesn't make it right obviously but considering 99% of users for this thing are coming from Instagram/Facebook in the first place Meta already knows everything about them anyway.

This app will know whether or not you're circumcised

If you have instagram installed you almost certainly already grant all of this.

instander for android
- Didnt know this was a thing, thank you very much
- oh wow - didn't even know that exists

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

When Instagram replacement on Fediverse? Fediverse also needs youtube replacement. Lets go all the way and hit these greedy mfers where it hurts. Unfortunetly my dev skills are poor, but I can offer moral support.

I know meta is shit anyways, but what is the idea behind their Twitter competitor, like what is their selling point?

Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.

Click on “see details” link and scroll endlessly through it all.

Sensitive Info, Health Data? õÔ

I assume health data will be what the phone can extrapolate from its sensors, for example, data about your walls and runs from an accelerometer, or screen usage, or sleeping schedules
- Or medical and medicinal search term used.

i don't know why anyone would want to go from something as bad as twitter to a Facebook owned twitter

This is why I ditched Facebook many years ago. The first time they started to change their TOS and privacy stuff I noped out.

On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?

I don't think these are permissions, just a list of collected data categories. Google Play's equivalent is the "Data Safety" section and lists the data collected, shared with third parties, and security practices in use. Basically just a more readable privacy policy, but agreeing to that by installing the app does not grant the app with the equivalent permissions automatically.

What the hell is “sensitive info”

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/
"Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data"
- The list every totalitarian government used to have to spend hundreds of millions to compile
- Fuck me, that's ominous. :/
- "P.S. Kisses, the Stazi."
- Holy shit. Well, that's not dystopian at all.
Knowing Zuck, it probably includes access to your medical history.
- Wants to know your blood type.
Whatever it is, it sounds sinister AF

They misspelled their service, should be: threats (to your privacy).

Sadly people will still jump there. It will eventually overtake Mastodon in numbers because people are dependent on the convenience of walled gardens.

User: So how many permissions does your app need?

Threads: Yes!

Financial Info, Identifiers, Sensitive Info... Woudn't it be easier just to give them my wallet and passport.

Is that.. all of them??? Lmao

People complain about Lemmy's privacy policy, but... I mean... gestures

Meta knows they can’t fix their terrible privacy record so they might as well milk it.

No, this is the data they would like to collect from those foolish enough to grant it.

Which will be most of them.

Health and Fitness

Dude I have a step counting app that doesn't even need that shit. It just goes off the gyro. Definitely have no reason to be giving a social media app access to that shit.

Meta is sickening. You have to have it for promoting events, artists and such, but it’s toxic and needs to be replaced.

As a music artist, I don’t know how to avoid platforms like Instagram and such while still promoting my art.

Is there anything left where they don’t want any permission? Ooof

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They're the same as for Facebook and Instagram and since this one is perhaps most geared towards existing Instagram users, there won't be much more data given because you've probably already done it.

Yeah kinda confused at the uproar. It's Facebook, they've always been like this
- The pic began spreading, looked (and is) nasty but people didn’t think of that it has already happened. I think that’s what happened.
  Worst was on Twitter where a dude remarked about not joining that due to privacy. He had an account with the same user name on Instagram…

Because this information is very valuable to advertisers who want to target to customer base. If Meta sells them the users who happen to be X, Y, and Z and also happen to be searching recently for a similar product, Boom they’ve got themselves a likely customer. Much easier than advertising to the masses and hoping 0.1% will bite.

It’s all about discreet money making. The advertisers and Meta only care about how to make money off you.

99% of apps are just a data miner placed in front of a website.

To this day I have refused to download messenger for mobile since "needing it" is totally bullshit since you can just hit "view desktop site" in Chrome mobile. Won't ever get this bs either.

What else could be „other data“ if the rest is basically everything ? o_o

It doesn’t mean everything, it just means everything not listed. I honestly didn’t know there where that many categories. This is why I deny every permission they ask for. If it fails to run in the dumpster it goes

Seriously I am already struggling to get meta out of my life enough to sign in to a new service with them.

Does it want a semen sample too? Christ.

Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain why their platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited resources to build a decent product Meta et al still can't figure out a way to justify their existence without quantifying and selling their users' private behaviors

do they also need nude pictures of me?, or with the blood type and a medical history is enough

Can I post here from this instance?

Yes, your single Fediverse account created at one Lemmy instance can post, comment, vote on other Lemmy instances

Where do I sign?!

What not even call logs? Lame

"sensitive information" I think...a good chunk of this is already sensitive information what else do you want T.T

I was somewhat optimistic about this app given that they were embracing federation, felt like an important milestone like when AOL had to stick a full featured web browser in their app. But this is just gross. Don't want to be a data slut for Zuck.

Any big major for profit company embracing federation is purely for their own revenue generating goals and have no explicit want to be actually good stewards of the Internet, its communities, and about their participation.
Participating in Federation is another way for Meta to suck up as much data as it can to sell its advertising services.

1 permission short of asking for the soul of your first born...

That's the "other" category.

The unfortunate bit is that most people still on Instagram/FB won't care and will happily use it.

How invasive is this really when compared to the first party Twitter app?

Can't Musk and Zuck just fight instead?

Apparently they are going to?!!
- Nah, Elon's mum called off the match. Literally: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/06/27/musks-mother-pulls-mom-card-says-cage-fight-with-zuck-has-been-canceled-1372180/ 🤣

oh.... I saw a meme about this and thought it was just a joke.

Dont have Instagram or Facebook won't be getting this either.

Nah thanks. I´m happy in mastodon and lemmy. Also already have whatsapp, instagram and facebook don't need any other app from meta.

Defed the Thread.

Sad that it’s even allowed. And how many people will “agree” to this without thinking twice about what it means.

Almost every app is tracking these things. Get an app tracker blocker and it really opens your eyes. You don't even have to agree to it, they'll still track you.

It's a perfectly named app. They're pulling on the thread of privacy protection until it's all undone.

No it isn't, because I wouldn't touch that shit with YOUR dick.

I cant believe apps tracking user data this much can even be allowed on app stores

Hackers/script kiddies must be having a heck of a party right now.

To play devils advocate, is it possible these permissions are just placeholders until the app is actually released?

All you need to do is look at Instagram’s permissions and tracking to know what they collect. It should be roughly the same, if not exactly.
They're not permissions, it's a privacy policy. I don't know why OP called them permissions.

Holy shit! That’s terrifying, especially from a company like Facebook

Twitter has the same amount of required permissions tho. Of course it collects a lot more data than any fediverse application or site but for proprietary software its about average

So, all that isn't even enough, "other info" is needed too? This honestly will just get every single thing they can get of ya.

Thanks but no thanks

Yeah I'm gonna say no thanks.

Nope the fuck out of there

Not yet, but they will be when they snort ALL this delicious, delicious data...

So just everything then.

Is it out? I can’t find it. (Not that I would actually use it lol)

Looks like it is out on Friday
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/threads-an-instagram-app/id6446901002
- Gonna install it just to to take a snap shot and post lol, obviously say no to all and use temp email address
It's a preorder or something, maybe you need to enable some option for that

Think it is missing: Your first born child

Hmm no.

Is the app out already? Or is this just the App Privacy dashboard for Instagram??

I'm also confused what I'm looking at.
Is this real, or a meme? What is "sensitive info"?
- Pretty sure it's real. The app leaked accidentally on the app store a few days ago.
- I just checked Facebook and Instagram. If you install those you grant the same access to your data.
It's for the new app. It's on preview on the app store
- Thanks for the clarification.

Hmm no.

Basically like Instagram

It literally says Instagram. Is this post an inside joke?
- The developer is Instagram Inc.
  The actual app is not Instagram, it's the new facebook spyware app that I don't know the name of.
- Did it? I thought it was a screenshot of the new Threads app which briefly leaked. I checked and Instagram had slightly different permissions

I wonder if this will change the current ToS for Facebook and regular IG

Yuck.

Wow, that's crazy. So "in your face" that they want EVERYTHING

They’ll create a shadow profile for you without you needing to download this app or use their service.

Bruh I thought this was the dick size edit again at first before looking further lmao

Health & fitness?? tan seme??

I'm sure they are missing some data.

That’s a no for me dawg

this is completely terrifying.

Yikers

Man, it really looks like a lot when you stack it like that!

On iOS at least, a lot of these (location, contact info, health & fitness, etc), you can deny access to via a popup prompt when the app tries to access them.

It’s a Meta app though so at a bare minimum it’s absolutely going to track the heck out of how you use the app.

Yeah... hard pass for me there 🤔

That seems overly permissive...

What does that even mean? Sensitive data? Other data could include basically anything anyway.

I would prefer not to.

Well, this is a screenshots from iPhone as far as I can see. So, this user has been f-up already anyway.

Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain how their corporate platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited technical resources to build a decent product Meta still can't resist the allure of quantifying and selling every element of the human existance

Yea, well, it‘s Meta, so what would you expect…

That's insane. Wait... we're the product... makes sense.

But how else will they know what to sell you? Won't someone think of the poor advertisers?!

Yay, another sword to fall onto.

Seriously, I'm curious how it goes. Meta can pour an insane amount of money into this, but that didn't work for the Metaverse. People already use IG as a Twitter replacement anyway, and Twitter itself just left a lot of people in a bad taste in their mouth.

So I would predict this doesn't have much of a place anywhere, but who knows.

Meanwhile, thunder: can I please have storage access so I can save images?

Jesus Christ Zuck. It looks like a lizard is running a mammalian study

Seems a bit excessive.

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

😟 Shiettt, do I have to delete my Instagram account? I only use it to stay "connected" to old friends. What about using the Instander app which is what I use to access Instagram? Is it still the same privacy invasion?

L Oh Fucking L. Horrifying that people will just give all this information to a company that already has class action lawsuits against it for data mishandling, without even giving it a second thought. People are dumb.

I’m actually excited about Threads because it supposedly uses ActivityPub. I know all my non-techie friends are going to use it and I should be able to participate from my self-hosted Mastodon instance.

That actually brings up an interesting point.
If on your server you have one set of privacy rights that your users agree to, but then if their posts are Federated over to Meta, that has their set of privacy rights that is less encompassing/ protecting and not agreed to by your users, what does that mean legally?
- They won't get access to your location, lol
I'm sorry to break it to you but from what I've read their federation will be based on whitelists and only federate with very large mastodon instances.
- Figures. It did sound a little too good to be true.

I bet they r just being lazy and can get away with it. Wasn't going to use it anyway.

I feel seek watching that screenshot

It's a lot of Info but knowing it's planning on using the Fediverse is pretty cool, Glad that everyone should be able to use there own platform / application that they prefer using. Sure a lot of people might end up using Threads due to it being 'Main Stream' but if people on things such as Lemmy & Masterdon can access all the features that Threads and other platforms are wanting to add in, then I see this as a win.

That seems reasonable. I think I’ll throw in my social security number and DNA sample for good measure… just in case they need it.

I have a request to any mods/admins/instance owners reading this:

You might get some mileage by putting sticky posts up, ideally in as many communities as possible, warning users about using Meta's app. Make it so every time a Meta user comes and checks us out, they're reminded, over and over, that Meta is spying on them. Repetition gets the message into people's brains!

"Did you know Meta's app watches and times your doomscrolling, and phones home to Meta to tell them which stories caught your eye? It records everything you type, even what you go back and delete, and sends that home to Big Brother. Consider using a spyware-free app, here's where you can get them..."

What would be the gain of spreading that message to people who are already browsing lemmy rather than Instagram? 🤔
- Meta is releasing threads.net which will (eventually) join the Fediverse.
  It's a much bigger topic of discussion over on #Mastodon, #Calckey, etc.
- I don't know if there's a way to put up that warning, but only for people using Meta's app or coming from a Meta instance. Probably not, unless the developers put that in.
  Yeah, for people using other clients or just on the web page, it's preaching to the choir, but if there's going to be a huge influx of Meta users, I think the newbies need some friendly education.

It is how they make money - data. Crazy

I deleted Facebook over ten years ago, and I told everyone I work with that it was about shit like this. Nobody cared. To this day, I have nothing but contempt for those folks. I don't work there any longer, and I don't regret losing touch with those people... Some people just want to watch their own world burn.

Please be kind and understanding that the advertiser's are also people, they need to eat and make money, this is the only way they have to survive...

yeah, that's why i'm making another account on Threads. i'm super excited for Threads though. large social networks are good for some things that Mastodon/Lemmy/etc will never be good at, by design.

if i had to pick a single platform to use, it'd be Mastodon. but i don't have to pick a single platform.

All together now, Corporations Are Not People

As much as I dislike Zuck, Mastodon will not scale to millions of users. Normies need their thing too. I don't use Twitter but I do like to view Twitter-like posts for news. If BlueSky or Threads go mainstream, that's good for normies.

Wow. I know people are talking a bit about the privacy concerns here on Lemmy, but enterprise social media is something else entirely...

I wouldn't trust Facebook with my Nintendo friend code, let alone all this