Muslim leaders are 'out of words' as they tire of the White House outreach on the war in Gaza
Muslim leaders are 'out of words' as they tire of the White House outreach on the war in Gaza
Some Muslim and Arab American leaders have grown frustrated with the outreach from President Joe Biden's White House as the war in Gaza drags on.
“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”
The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.
But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.
Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”
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I just hope they vote third party. No reason to support either candidate.
"Take that, face!" says man cutting off own nose.
The nose is getting cut off by either candidate in this situation. Biden has pulled strings we all wish would’ve been pulled for something like saving the student debt foregivness but instead he did it to continue supplying and funding a genocide.
Trump will do it so much better then, he'll tell the Israelis to finish what they started and give them more kaboom.
How about we focus on stopping genocide. If you live outside the ~5 states that decide the election then you should be voting for a third party.
It's a good thing the Donald Trump who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem totally wouldn't support Israeli genocide, isn't it?
Clearly Donald trump wont be any better and that clearly wasn’t my point. To people who are trying to stop this genocide going “The other guys isn’t going to be any better” instead of also trying to stop the genocide isn’t going to convince them to come to your side.
The other guy is going to be worse. That's the point. Sacrificing the bad for the worse is not a smart strategy.
Sometimes we get what we deserve.
It's already been established that you are not part of "we" even though you say "we."
I’m a citizen of the United States. I’m part of we.
Sure, if by "we" you mean people who will continue to have all of their citizenship rights after Trump is elected and will not suffer any major repercussions due to being cishet and white. Donald Trump definitely considers you part of that "we."
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Surly trump will do better, right guys?
Pretty sad that a Dem incumbent can't even beat a 90 count felon, huh? Like, how politically incompetent and disliked would you have to be to end up in that position?
Really let that sink in. Biden is so bad at his job he could realistically lose to Donald Trump.
Almost like the Democratic party's strategy of propping up insane candidates to try and make their own ultra-conservative corpo candidates look more palatable is backfiring horredously. Almost like years of ignoring the democratic base in favor of courting a near non-existent demographic of swing voters has alienated huge swaths of the center left.
Insane? Compared to Trump? Not even a race.
Biden doesn’t get anyone fired up because he is the drab and boring choice. Against Trump he is the perfect candidate.
Once Trump drops out of politics you will see more options on the field. It’s going to be a while before we get another Obama.
Boringly supporting genocide wholeheartedly. By the way, sorry to break it to you, but once trump drops out of politics, we'll just get the next bad guy of the week. It never ends.
Trump was an aggressive leap forward in shittyness. I suspect his departure from politics will drain a lot of the swamp.
I thought the same when bush jr left office. Imagine my surprise when democrats continued many of his terrible policies (corporate/bank bailouts without punishing those responsible, warmongering, the surveillance state, etc) while also trying to rehabilitate that war criminal's image. Maybe trump won't get his image rehabilitated, but many of his terrible policies will continue (and they have, like the border issue and trade war with China).
Third party, another, "Let Israel finish the job" vote.
No one should be forced to vote for a candidate that's supporting the murder of their friends and family.
Work harder at changing Bidens position of supporting genocide.
You guys could join us.
I bet you would rather support Biden sending more and more bombs, than stand with us and say no.
Okay, "us." Which specific candidate should we vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?
Because "vote third party" will not beat Trump or Biden even if you wish really hard.
Don't need a third candidate. Biden, if he were pressured, would change his stance on supporting the genocide if more Dem voters made it clear that is also in their interest.
How? Attend protests Support BDS Write your elected representatives Sign petitions Like pro-Palestinian social media Spread the word
If people actually worked at it we could get anyone.
I like Whitmer and I think we could convince her to run
So you believe that a person who has not even been convinced to run yet is the person we should vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?
You honestly believe that?
I prefer to aim high and miss than aim low and hit.
I did that with a president and an ex wife, both were horrible decisions.
Trump is an asshole for sure, but I have faith in the democrats doing like they did last time and fucking up as much as possible.
At least the Cheeto says what he means.
Biden talks out the side of his mouth because he’s too busy gobbling Netanyahu’s balls with the rest.
Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected, maybe we will learn this time about ignoring huge swaths of your supporters.
Sorry... "At least the guy announcing a genocidal dictatorship says what he means" is a reason why he should win?
Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected
Then I'm guessing you're not brown or queer.
Nope, I just believe that keeping people alive is more important and that if people don’t realize that then you can burn with us.
It's not going to be an "us." It's going to be people aren't you.
The truth is, you believe they deserve to suffer on your behalf for the successful election of someone they probably didn't vote for.
And because you're neither brown nor queer, you'll be fine while they get marched into camps.
And when you refuse to be a camp guard, I hope you remember that you think they deserve to suffer.
You are a fucking shill for trump. “Says what he means”??? Hahah you cultist dipshit. He wants your money. That’s it.
Holy shit bro, are you deliberately ignoring the context here?
Fuck the Cheeto and fuck Biden both, they both just want to kill brown people and that’s it.
The only difference is Big Mac says what he means.
The day that one of these two die is buried is the day the world gets a new urinal.
C’mon Bro try harder.
Also quote what I say in your comment, once we get too far into a thread I just have to click into your post history to find it.
Try harder? You try harder. All you are doing is hedging bets and offering critique without solutions. For all your ponticating about shit ‘you know to be true’ you sure sound like you are devoid of some much needed culture. How long have you spent out of your sounthern village of 1500; when all you can come up with for an insult on California is “hippie shit”? It’s not lost on me that American politics is a sham. Frankly I think that’s really an aside here. You say trump says what he means and the worst insult you have for him is “Cheeto”. Meanwhile almost every comment you have about Biden starts with “fucking” and the dives into some watered down hyperbolic Fox News talking points. He is a war monger. Biden I mean. But you shilling for the con- Everyman because you have an abbreviated view of the world is embarrassing cause that asshole Is also a war monger. I happen to agree that they both want to kill brown people, that’s why I don’t make excuses for either of them. You do. Not only that but your need to interject with things like who’s a better or worst activist is moot cause tho you talk some shit, you are just sitting around on your ass proclaiming all-it-is-you-believe-to-be-true into your echo chamber. Try harder??? Get fucked. Your privilege is leaking. Also it’s so rich telling me to try harder when you are the one that first called me an asshole. I guess I would rather be that than some closeted sycophant who’s idea of activism stems from standing up for smoked meats and leaf blowers.
I just hate him so much.
Everyone knew what trump was he was free and clear about his hatred and xenophobia.
Biden, I fell for. I thought he was going to be good, not great, but not just “not trump” then he did the railroad strike that way, but he eventually got them what they wanted.
Yeah it took a little longer, but lives weren’t really at stake over a few weeks on that one.
Then he did this shit, and now I hate him in the way that you can only hate someone who has betrayed you. My loyalty was shattered, so yeah, at least trump let me know he was a racist piece of shit. Hillary was my “Not Trump” vote.
One is just an obvious grifter and conman, the other is the same but he fooled me as well.
That's how Trump wins.
It's Biden's election to lose. All he has to do is stop supporting the genocide and prove he'll do something to good Israel accountable for its war crimes.
He's not entitled to people's votes, he has to earn it. Abstaining is a valid position in a democratic system.
It is not about Biden. Biden is infinitely times better for chance of peace (eventually). If you truely care about people there, it is insane to take this position and not vote for Biden.
And then next time you will work with us?
Infinitely on a zero chance scenario is still zero.
US foreign policy needs a radical political overhaul. This won't happen without massive pressure.
That’s what we deserve for supporting the massacres going on