Sad, but rule

Anyone who bases their entire identity around their political beliefs is pretty much always a disappointment no matter who they voted for
- Joke's on you! I'm an anarchist and am always disappointed with electoralism, even if I didn't vote at all.

Liberals will disappoint you.
Conservatives will arrest, surpress and kill you.
Clearly both are equally bad!!
- So those college students peacefully protesting aren't being arrested and suppressed while a Democrat is the president in states ran by democrats?
  Found the Biden dick riding neo lib
  
  Not to forget: Cop City is a bipartisan project (and the Atlanta mayor is a dem)
- Both parties in the US are liberal.
  
  They used to be, but the current Republican party explicitly rejects liberalism. They don't follow any liberal ideas, even on capitalism and free markets. They're willing to bend any principle for power. They're fascists.
  
  Sure and the sky is green.
  
  That'a a new one
  
  Relative to much of the world yes.
  In terms of economics and neoliberalism mostly.
  You're more right than wrong.
  In terms of social liberalism, the differences between the two parties are more noticeable.
  This is because structural politics is defined by undemocratic means, interests, and forces.
  So we vote on more superficial aspects, such as the culture war and social rights.
  Which can be important, but most of the time aren't the real meat of the world's problems.
- The Log party and the Heron party.
  Two-party systems were a problem even in ancient Greece.

Politics will always disappoint you. All you can do is work towards the things that matter
- Of course politics will always disappoint you. Politics is the means by which large groups of people aggregate their desires sufficiently to achieve collective goals. It's a massive process of millions of compromises. The goal is explicitly not to make everyone happy. The goal is to have enough people of good will and with enough information avaliable involved that the series of compromises move enough of us in the right direction.

This is the Lemmy Sino-Russian propaganda farm version of a boomer meme. What a fucking joke, I literally laughed

When tankies disappoint you, however, complaining about it will get you a one way ticket to the gulag.
- You poor guys must be even more persecuted than Christians imagine themselves to be 😂
  
  I hear liberals run over civilians with tanks all the time.
  
  There is some shrapnel buried in a building or two that shows why that might happen
- Liberals just bypass the gulag and incarcerate, kill, or deport you and your loved ones
  
  Deportation would remove the risk of any interactions with dirty liberals tho, so isn't that a good thing?
- Here is another way in which liberals will disappoint you with their lack of political education. There's liberals, conservatives and tankies, and no other options I guess.
  Tell me, can you provide me with your definition of the word "tankie"? Because they are a specific thing that represents a fringe pariah of the radical left.
  
  fringe pariah of the radical left
  Tankies aren't leftists, and literally all of Hexbear is full of them. .ml too at this point.
- Found the nazi
  
  Nah. Tankies are imperialist scum, just like liberals.

The Democrats can't do as much as you want them to when there's a very real chance of losing the election to the Republicans. If you want change, then vote. If you want policy 475, you need to vote for policy 1 first.
- The American system of government is the blame game. For example, few people seem to remember that during Obama's 8 years in office he had the government for 10 months.
  During the 86 other months Republicans exploited that by simultaneously stonewalling everything while going to the media and questioning why the democrats aren't doing more for the American people. It is a masterfully effective underhanded tactic.
  I also agree that everyone should vote. When more people vote, regardless of political affiliation, democrats win bigger. I don't know why that is true, but it is. So yes, everyone vote!
- It’s the other way around. They not gonna do what u want them to because they know you’ll have to vote for them because of their fear politics. Let them know they’re not getting your vote. They’re gonna lose their jobs. Then they’ll try harder.
  
  Dude no. They need to win elections which means they can't lose to Republicans. That's it. When they know they can't lose, they will move on to better policies. They aren't going to magically move left when there's a very real chance of losing the election. Sorry to say, you're twisting yourself into knots trying to justify not voting.
  
  They aren't using enough fear politics. The entire planet should be afraid of a fascist United States. Trump will tank the global economy. Trump will be more hostile to other nations than even liberal imperialists. There is no upside.
  It's even better for accelerationists if the systemfails under liberals. If it fails under a fascist, liberals can just claim it only failed because fascists gained control.
  
  It's the other way around in my country. The more votes the middle and left parties lost, the further they moved to the right in an attempt to claw back votes. But then there was a huge protest campaign against the right and the right started losing votes in our regular surveys (though still much too strong).
  So I urge you to vote for your option that is not regularly talking about using fascist methods and undoing gained freedoms "on day one".
- We voted for Biden and gave him the house and senate and he still couldn't pass a pathetic $15 minimum wage... stop making excuses for them like someone voting harder will make them any less incompetent liars.
  
  But but but but but but but but but but Biden bad!!1!1
  Looks like he did $15 minimum for federal workers, ran out of time, and is asking Congress to do it for everyone (you know, because he currently doesn't have the house, you know because of votes). Lol looks like you should take your own advice and stop making excuses for yourself.

When did lemmy redefine conservatism as liberalism? Am I in some reverse world?
- Everything done by the United States government before Trump was done under the liberal ideology. They've justified slavery and social security, the United Nations and support for military dictatorships, ethnic cleansing and the right to vote, all from valid use of that contradictory ideology. It's filled with amazing ideas and terrible ideas that are all at war with one another.
  The major problem with it for lemmy users is how much liberals support capitalism and imperialism. Both of these things are the source of most of our biggest problems, and liberals consistently fail to restrain themselves.
- Ugh, liberals
- US Democracy is a type of liberalism, which was created as a reaction to mercantilism and monarchies. Basically means "individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." which... US Democracy doesn't lmao.
  Different word from liberal and conservative. Kind of like "mankind" doesn't just refer to men.

Hope is an illusion.
- Hope is masturbation.
  Act.
  
  Hope is key to acting
  Using hope as a driving factor for acting to bring the change you want to see
  For example: I hope to see better pedestrian focused infrastructure in my community therefore I act in a way to make that happen. I call my reps, I talk with people I meet about it, etc.
- Hope makes you more likely to succeed, even if it guarantees nothing. All predictions of the future are extremely fallible, even hopeless ones. It's no more an illusion than being a doomer who guarantees their own failure.
- If you don't have hope, you have already lost.

Progressives also disappoint me. The public not being Social Democrats is my main issue.

I disappoint them by fighting back