Wholesome co-worker

Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.

Edit: Comments are reopened.

An incredibly moving moment that this person will never forget. 💜

- Love to be a normal, well-adjusted person having normal, well-adjusted thoughts.

Transphobic people.
- AND islamophobic people.
- No. People who don't think sexist religious conservative values should be applauded. This is basically orphan crushing machine material
You can upload literally anything on this site and it'll be downvoted. Sometimes even for the content, usually just because creeps will go back through your history and downvote everything you've posted for a week or two.
I'm not worried about it, though.
- I apologize for the downvote. I agree with you, it just felt like the right thing to do. :p
- Yep. It happens to me pretty much daily on an alt. And although I know who’s doing it- there’s not a mod willing to do anything about it.
Because it didn't happen.
- /r/NothingEverHappens 🙄
- Despite your down votes I agree with you. I'm always conflicted about voting on something that appears to be clearly deceiving so usually I abstain from voting entirely but someone who cares more about this can easily justify a down-vote.

Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible

Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
- Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. "You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?" jose1324 isn't killing people for wearing them
- "Choose" is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it's a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it's a theocratic country, it's a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and "choosing" to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.
- Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.
- Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
  In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.
- It's impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don't decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike
- Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it's not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.
- Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding "no."
- The flak you're getting for this is bizarre. There are tons of women who wear a hijab by choice. It's self expression, hell people even do pinups/porn in them so it's not like the religious association is absolute or binding.
  Women should not be forced to wear a hijab, but they also shouldn't be forced not to. Feminism is about choice, the choice between embracing traditional roles and rules or eschewing them with equal acceptance.
  Articles from women who choose to wear a hijab:
  https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-right-to-choose-to-wear-or-not-hijab/
  https://gchumanrights.org/gc-preparedness/preparedness-civil-and-political-rights/article-detail/the-hijab-ban-and-human-rights-of-muslim-women-in-europe.html
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2023/01/28/american-muslim-women-hijabs-symbolize-right-choose
  https://www.aclu.org/documents/discrimination-against-muslim-women-fact-sheet

I'd cry

Religious views of trans people in Iran are particularly interesting. Though it is an Islamic theocracy where being gay is explicitly against the law, being trans is narrowly accepted. Gender reassignment surgery is legal and formal gender recognition after the procedure is supported by the theocracy. The fact that being gay is potentially punishable by death can lead to people choosing gender reassignment rather than execution. The government's strict belief that there are no sexual minorities in the country leads to an oddly absolute acceptance of the gender of trans people.

This reminds me of Japan. I've not confirmed this myself, but it jives with my understanding of the culture. Binary trans people are generally less 'disruptive' to society and less of a perceived 'problem' to the mainstream because hey we can fit you into a box and its associated social roles. They really like their boxes and roles. But if you are queer in other more visible ways, like gay people trying to get married or be accepted socially, then that gets frowned upon for upsetting the apple cart.
- Because the apple can't identify as orange
It is indeed interesting. Because in the end... sexual intercourse with the booty is still a high tier sin in Islam. Even if the couple is heterosexual.

Forgive my ignorance but can anyone explain what happened in this interraction?

It would be against Islam for a woman to show herself (without a head covering) to a man she wasn’t married/related to. This isn’t true for woman and other woman. This person is trans and their friend treated them, through religious tradition, that she accepts her friend as a woman.
- Which means, in effect, that their friend is saying "My belief that you are truly a woman is at least as strong as my belief in my god," which is an incredibly powerful way to validate someone's identity.
- A wholesome exchange based on the intersection of trans acceptance and religious misogyny!
A trans person is claiming that a woman excepts said trans person as a woman.

I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven't heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I'd like to know more.

In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they'll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.
Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.
Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it's better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.
- many gay people are pressured to transition
  Made me imagine the awkward situation where two gay people transitioned to be able to legally find a match, and found each other.
- They had the same thing going here in Apartheid-South Africa.
- Oh I see, I did not expect that. Thank you!
I wonder what her Imam would say to that.
Heaven forbid... are you implying that Muslim people perhaps aren't a brainwashed monolith that simply accepts anything spoken by those in authority?
Say it isn't so!
- I'm not sure in which direction your sarcasm is actually going there.
  I wouldn't say they are a monolith, with all those different sects and the fatwas where you basically have to choose which person or group of muftis you trust to issue binding ones.
  On the point of brainwashing... well depends on how you define it, I'd say. I think all Religion at its core is supposed to influence your thinking profoundly and most religious people are brought up into their belief system. What is just socialisation and what is brainwashing I don't know how to distinguish.
Not an expert but for one example you could read the story of Maryam Khatoon Molkara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Khatoon_Molkara
- Very interesting, thank you

That's a beautiful story. Love it.

Love it!!!

😂😂😂😂

Things that didn't happen for $100, Ryan.

Who the fuck is Ryan
- I dunno it was just a random name. Guess I should have kept it more uniform by using, "Alex" instead.

Sounds made up.

And everyone in the coffee shop stood up and applauded, i.e., this never happened.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
What aspect of this story seems constructed or unbelievable to you?
nothing ever happens

In your opinion, is someone going through a transition considered them putting themselves through a mental illness by choice?
If you would say these people already have a mental illness, and are just choosing the wrong solution for it, what do you mean by "mental illness should not be condoned?" How would someone go about solving their problem?
- And their problem is what exactly?
Reading a peaceful, harmless story and somehow calling that mental sounds indeed like someone not right in the head would say.
Ignorance is a mental illness, get help. Unless you're just a bigot in which case find the nearest woodchipper and hop in!

Nothing ever happens
- Especially this reply right now that currently isn't happening
I can't figure out which part of this story you doubt so I have to assume you've never met a trans person or a Muslim.
- Probably that a Muslim can both be open to trans people and wear a hijab at the same time.
  Tbh is much easier to reconcile than you'd think.
- Half of my family is Muslim. I'm currently partnered with the trans alliance in my city to build their new housing co-op.... I'm well versed in both sides of this and what's stated above didn't happen LoL. It's a fairytale or as known in the Muslim community.... teqqiyah.
This isn't too far fetched. I recently saw a video of a woman who is Muslim explaining why she personally wouldn't take her hijab off in front of a trans woman. Which is the opposite of the op story
BUT... it's obvious that figuring out how trans women fit into their religious beliefs would be a discussion among Muslim women. Just like Christianity, there are going to be different interpretations, person to person even, of what is ok and not. Seems to me like this would actually be a really easy way for a woman to show her support to a friend.
- My op was removed LoL. I guess you're not allowed to introduce reality into these fairytales. Half of my family is Muslim, this is absolutely a fairytale LMFAO.

Imagine viewing a post from a "wholesome" community only to make sure everyone knew you rolled* your eyes.
If I can't have solidarity no one can. The problem is you buddy.
This users comments seem to have a habit of turning into a "."
Weird, so here's their comment preserved
- Wow they sure are a chicken shit with the consequences of their comments.