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I’d say that we’ve had some pretty evil guys through history. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Franco, Pol Pot, King Leopold 1 of Belgium, Kim il-sung, Putin
Bro, all these leaders had whole countries supporting them.
They thought they were doing good.
In their perspective. Not ours.
To understand the reason for the seemingly "evil", you have to understand their perspective.
How the fuck can you deny that Pol Pot wasn’t evil? He literally killed a fourth of his country in a genocide. I’ll never understand people who’re defending the most evil people on the basis that everything’s subjective. Some people are simply not good.
I don't know him and what he's done.
Well he caused the Cambodian genocide. The. There’s king Leopoldo 2 of Belgium who committed perhaps the worst atrocities ever in Congo.
so you're arguing with someone who says it's a matter of perspective by saying "nuh uh, id say my perspective is ____" hmmmm
why are people so uncomfortable with the reality that judgments exist only in the mind and not the world? that doesn't make them less important. quit over valuing the real!
Don’t you think that some stuff’s universally just wrong? For instance raping and murdering without any provocation whatsoever is always wrong. Ted Bundy was a bad man.
Oh of course I have my opinions! I'm only human. But where does "badness" actually exist in the world? It only exists in our judgments. Everyone on earth could agree that he's bad, but that doesn't actually mean anything on its own. It comes with social consequences, but those also come from our judgments. There's nothing in the world that says that Ted Bundy is bad. There's also nothing that says he is tall or short or smelly or kind. The universe is utterly indifferent to such things.
This is not a wishy-washy relativism argument. It's actually quite the opposite. I am stating that social constructs like these judgments are actually so powerful that major parts of human experience are products of human minds. It's just that the universe is just so fundamentally, radically indifferent to them.
At the end of the day, Lord of the Rings is about a bunch of people fighting and dying. It's the meanings that we attach to those narratives that give it its glory. And it's fun to see this meme flip it on its head. Poor orcs!
Well, I’ll keep that in mind. Right now I still think that some exist like Sauron just to be bad.