Our retention pond in our neighborhood has a lot of algae and problematic plant growth due to the surrounding farms and lawn runoff, so we're experimenting with a floating island to pull nutrients out before they can cause problems. This will also provide some interesting flowering plants, and more fish habitats.
Will be an interesting experiment to see what survives and what does poorly.
Zinnias, sunflowers, marigolds, and a few others are in net pots, inserted into cutouts in EVA foam mats.
Love it, but we're not as concerned about metals or toxins as we are about excess nutrients.
The papers I listed have plants that they've been using for their remediation, and we're following those lists. I know some of the researchers on those projects, and we'll modify our plant list based on any changes in their recommendations.
Cannabis would pull out excess nutrients as well, I’m just saying there’s probably other options if you wanted to do a little research, but apparently no one wanted to discuss this topic.
Well you rebuffed and turned additional avenues I gave you to look up, it didn’t sound like you were willing to do anything additional. Cannabis does all of those things you are looking for, so clearly there’s more than what the researches you’re using for options.
Usually when someone shares a topic they want to talk about it and learn more, is that not why you posted?
I'm not sure why you're acting like I didn't respond to what you posted. Your paper discussed heavy metal toxicity and I responded that this wasn't a concern in our situation.
I'm not sure why you are offended at my post, because I responded directly to the topic you were discussing.
Through discussion, which was extremely hard, you found out that it can be used for both, and there is potentially other options you can find out for your floating garden.
Why do you think I was offended by your post? I was trying to start a discussion and you apparently immediately thought I said you didn’t do any research.
You are coming across as argumentative and rather rude about your insistence, when OP has already said whatever you want them to look into is beyond the current scope of the project, which roughly translates to “thanks, but I’m not interested in doing that right now”.
And in response to that, to telling you it’s not in the current scope of a trial project, you are implying they are not doing research or learning or whatever it is (you literally said in your second comment “if you want to do a little research” which does indeed imply you feel they didn’t do enough). When really, you just want them to do something with their time that they don’t want to do, and frankly don’t need to do at this first stage of trial. And you seem to be getting butthurt that they aren’t interested in doing what you want them to. The condescending tone in the comment I’m replying to is a dead giveaway.
Besides which, not everyone wants to deal with growing weed or hemp which looks identical. In fact, most people don’t want to deal with it (obtaining licenses, dealing with theft, etc.). So your focus on that specific plant through your comments seems really genuinely weird, like you can’t fathom people not being stoners or something. That’s quite off-putting.
If you were genuinely trying to start a conversation, you may want to look at how you approach that. When someone says they aren’t interested, like OP did, you can say “ok, well if anyone else is, or if it interests you in the future, here’s the info” and someone will probably reply to it if they want to talk about. You can’t just unilaterally decide what people are going to talk about and force them to participate if they don’t want to discuss it, which honestly seems like what you were trying to do.
Holy fucking shit, insistence of what? That there can be other plants?
Should I have said “extra”, “bonus”, or “more” sure, but all of those can be taken out of context too. I don’t want them to do anything, I was merely providing evidence that there’s other plants to back up a claim instead of being called out for not providing anything for it.
I never said they had to or told them to, please point that out?
They said they were not interested about 4 comments in after not realizing that cannabis isn’t only for heavy metals like they assumed in their first response. I rather politely at that point said that it’s not only for that.
Again, holy fucking shit you’re reading way to into a rather innocuous comment that someone took offense too. I literally said I was going to read their own research later too, but of course that doesn’t taken into context.
Edit yeah OP is just pissy, yeah I am still a little of an asshole, but clearly they never wanted a discussion about this in the first place. From a response to someone else they also misunderstood the entire premise of their comment….
I'm following peer reviewed papers on how to remediate ponds, and you're telling me that they are incorrect or insufficient.
Yeah there is other fucking plants lmfao, and buddy doesn’t want to talk about it.
Look, you may not have intended it to come across that way, and I get that, but it does. I’m not trying to be mean to you or anything; we all have blind spots in communication because we can only see what we intend to say, and not how it comes across to others. I’m not involved in the conversation and that’s how it came across to me, and probably all the people downvoting you.
They are doing a thing following specific research that they are aware of and probably spent a lot of time on, and know they should be able to reproduce. As such their very first reply to you was them telling you they aren’t interested in expanding their project at this point, and sticking with what they were already planning/doing. I get that that message didn’t come across to you, but it’s absolutely there. You responded to that by saying “I guess nobody wants to discuss that” which is a guilt trip.
And I never said you were forcing anything, I said it honestly seems like that’s what you were trying to do. Which, from the outside, it really absolutely does.
Just because people post things and then don’t want to talk about something tangential to, or an expansion of, the thing they are posting about doesn’t mean they don’t want to discuss whatever it is, it means they don’t want to discuss it the same way you do, or go beyond where they already are. That’s not less valid, even if it upsets you personally to not get to have the conversation you want to.
Huh…. a good discussion came out of with someone else so clearly not everyone took it that way, why are you assuming the worst? You’re the only other one than OP piping up.
Oh, and yeah someone on the internet got mad at me and made a comment about it, I’m totally gonna change my ways, thank you sir…. /s
Yeah people converse differently, if you don’t like way someone else does it, you don’t need to interject yourself. I could throw a bunch of insults and assumptions at you too.
Spent a lot of time on? Have you read their comments? They show zero knowledge on the subject itself, and zero on basic plant botany… Jesus fucking christ.
This place is a place for discussion, if you’re posting here, you should expect it, it’s kinda in the rules lmfao.
You conveniently left out the part where I said to show me the research, and I'd read it.
So far I've gotten a single link to a single paper that was irrelevant to this project, and a whole lot of "you're doing it wrong, trust me bro" from two people.
You conveniently left out the part where I said to show me the research, and I'd read it.
The part that is basic plant botany and anyone with a basic understanding of how a plant grows would know…? Plants absorb stuff from the soil and hold it, some are better than others. The same has to be true for other mediums like water and coco….
You’re arguing that neither of those are true claims….
Yep, hemp has been long known to rejuvenate soil. It's been used for decades (or more) as a rotation crop to restore soil after something like corn or wheat sucks up all of the nutrients.
It's a combination of things. Clover gets some help from a bacteria iirc that lives on its roots to help fix nitrogen into the soil.
All plants pull things out of the dirt or water and hold on to it, some better than others but it's a thing all plants do. It's why you shouldn't eat anything grown in pure compost because you don't know what it may have pulled out of it.
Honestly, this reply tells me that you don't actually know as much as you think you do.
I'll add another condescending advice for you: Don't feed the troll.
No seriously, those two other commenters are either insane or trolling. They are completely ignoring your objective and just going on about "rejuvenation".
Please stay as you are and stand your well informed ground!
Yeah, I originally thought they were commenting in good faith, shoulda stopped two comments sooner.
Don't understand what the issue is, I just want sources for recommendations, the only source either of them shared was for a topic that was irrelevant to the discussion.
Please pull your head out of your ass. No one here has said anything was insufficient or incorrect. What we are doing is having a general discussion that your post prompted that includes other types of plants that could also work. You seem to have a persecution complex. Plus the fact that you are following peer reviewed papers instead of just reading a bunch of shit like what we are telling you says that you don't have enough base knowledge to pull this kind of thing off and if you act like this in real life, everyone who would help you is unlikely to do so.
I'm now going to block you so I bid you adeu and hope you figure out to deal with your issues.
Honestly, this reply tells me that you don't actually know as much as you think you do.
I thought buddy wanted to talk and learn something, sounds like they just want to be congratulated for following a guide and not understand why or what they are doing.
It's nuts. Dude has an attitude and wants peer reviewed research papers instead of just using some current knowledge to decide whether what we have to say is legit or not. I've been growing all kinds of shit for decades and it's clear you know what you are talking about. But apparently OP doesn't have enough base knowledge to be able to think for themselves and some dorkuses are downvoting everyone who is trying to help OP and isn't just stroking them off with atta boys.
For soil rejuvenation you mulch it back into the soil for compost I thought, you can’t do that if you’re using it for remediation to pull stuff out of the soil as you would be just be putting it right back in again.
You are correct but I think hemp is similar to clover in that there is some symbiotic relationship with other organisms that help rejuvenate the soil even if you don't mulch it back it in. I could be wrong here but I know that plenty of farmers grow hemp between other crops and likely don't "waste" it by mulching it back in.
If you are looking to pull bad stuff out of water, I'd think that growing anything that would hold onto the bad stuff as it falls to the bottom of the river or lake and stores it there would be a solution as well as harvesting and transporting it elsewhere.
There would be some benefits to growing hemp, but in our situation, it wouldn't apply. We aren't looking to add nutrients to the water, we're looking to remove it.
We aren't concerned about other toxins that the hemp would absorb, so while it might be useful in some areas with more industrial pollution, it doesn't apply to this project.
Cannabis can be used for rejuvenation and remediation, it pulls out toxins and nutrients, but can also add nutrients. It can do anything, it’s just how it’s used, so yes it could maybe apply to your project.