[Meta] !movies@lemmy.world mod removing comment suggesting consolidation of that community with this one as their moderation community is spread too thin, thankfully modlog is public
[Meta] !movies@lemmy.world mod removing comment suggesting consolidation of that community with this one as their moderation community is spread too thin, thankfully modlog is public
Link to the modlog: https://reddthat.com/modlog/11298
Link to the community: !movies@lemmy.world
Edit: for context, I first sent a DM to the single mod asking them if we could consider merging communities (basically my comment below). They ignored me but opened the thread.
My comment
Should we maybe consider merging this one with !movies@lemm.ee ? We have regular pinned posts and movie-specific discussion threads over there, and that community has been more active than this one lately, be it weekly or monthly (1.54k vs 1.32k and 2.92k vs 2.51k). The moderation team has several people, including movie enthusiasts who post there regularly. We had our first AMA a while ago a few weeks ago: https://lemm.ee/post/31335226 And if people ask why we wanted to have a community on another instance than Lemmy.world, the large majority of active communities are already on LW (https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active), it seems better to spread communities a bit.
Reason for removal
Not currently considering this action Maybe in the future.
I guess I'm just a bit sad that they removed the comment altogether instead of letting it there and considering a discussion.
I've heard several times that Lemmy should consolidate communities (like what happened with !mapporn@lemmy.world and !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz recently), but I guess it's easier said than done.
In the meantime, congrats for making this community the most active one!
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Your intentions here may be positive, but you're basically asking them to shut down their community and posting an ad for your community on theirs to take their traffic. I can see why they removed it and don't see any problem with that. Send them a DM next time
Hello,
I sent a DM first. The mod didn't reply to me but opened this thread.
but you’re basically asking them to shut down their community and posting an ad for your community on theirs to take their traffic.
Yes, that worked before with the mod of !mapporn@lemmy.world (send them a DM, they agreed, consulted their community and then locked the community).
As I said, it's their choice, I agree to disagree, but they could have left the comment instead of removing it.
They have no obligation to leave up your comment which is actively trying to redirect their traffic to your community. I don't get why you think removing it was a problem
If someone was to make the same comment in this community, I would leave it and discuss why or why not it should happen. I usually only remove content that is disrespectful (insults, harassment) or break the rules. Removing opinions you disagree with doesn't seem to create a healthy space for conversation.
Also, traffic itself isn't worth much, and actively moderating a community isn't a task a lot of people want to do (as you can see in the post, nobody really volunteers).
About it being "my" community, I accept any mod who would like to help (we now have a few, that is nice). There isn't any real benefit of moderating a community, it's more of a hassle than anything else, which is probably why nobody wanted to do it over there.
I get you don't think you were engaging in self-promotion by publicly talking up your community within their community, but you actually were, and it's explicitly against their rules. And yes, as a mod of this community, it is your community, as it is for anyone involved in this community who has an interest in driving traffic to it
Let's agree to disagree!
It'd be better if you accepted you broke that community's rules and the mod was justified in removing your comment rather than complaining about it and putting them on blast so publicly
Hmmm. I feel like you may be a bit harsh here. I agree that the mod is free to do what they want, and generally don’t think community diversity is bad (though I lean toward some form of consolidation around this kind of community, or at least better organisation).
But for a nascent and small platform like the fediverse, talking about how we organise ourselves is almost always a fair topic of conversation IMO, for the simple reason that self-organisation is exactly what the fediverse is about, how it was made and how it will thrive.
And was it really against the rules? “Self promotion”? The suggestion was for a merger with a community where I’m not sure Blaze had anything personal to gain. So not promotion or for themselves?
I can’t shake the feeling that this is all very Reddit thinking, that makes more sense at their scale and with the more rabid behaviour and territorialism you’d get there. There, shutting down conversations like this makes sense as an immune response against potentially toxic bad faith actors. Plus, the number of users there is such that community building is easier.
But here? That might be an auto-immune disorder. People take ownership on the fediverse and have the opportunity to think about how things should be and even make that happen (beyond just starting a new community that is). Letting that all play out in conversations seems fundamental, and removing comments or banning users for trying to have organisational conversations may just be anti-fediverse as much as it might seem like reasonable community moderation, at least if we’re still doing things the Reddit way.
Ideally, perhaps, there’d be a good meta-community community for people to talk about these things without moderation concerns being triggered.
I appreciate your feedback, but disagree I'm the one being harsh. I think OP complaining about another community not being interested in merging with theirs and naming/shaming them is in poor taste.
Interesting. I can see the name and shame part, but my read, at least initially, was that it’s about having the discussion despite the other mod not allowing it (thus most of my comments).
Otherwise, I personally don’t mind surfacing mod “drama” here and there as it at least keeps that sort of thing in the open somewhat.
I wanted to stop there but if you want to give it another go, sure.
First of all, there has been "self promotion" about this community on !movies@lemmy.world in the past:
- about the AMA: https://lemmy.world/post/15026913
- about the community itself: https://lemmy.world/post/14750922
- about the Dune: Part 2 discussion thread: https://lemmy.world/post/12820343
I had a few discussions via DM with the main mod in the past, all went well as you can see above.
Also, he didn't add the reason of his removal as "self promotion", but as "Not currently considering this action". He didn't even mention breaking any rule.
putting them on blast so publicly
I would have rather preferred having discussed that over DMs, but he never replied to my first.
Also, aren't modlogs public for a reason, to keep moderators accountable for their decisions?
Your effort to conglomerate all communities under your banner is basically the antithesis of the federated model, and even if it was not considered self promotion, I can see clearly why it was considered overtly hostile and removed.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It's just centralization of power.
For somebody who cares deeply about the federation, its userbase, statistics and otherwise, you are actually replicating one of the major issues with reddit that federation was trying to solve. Stop trying to be a powermod in the name of defragmentation. It’s just centralization of power.
So we should just let LW moderators be powermods instead? Who centralizes power, a few mods in this community, or LW who conglomerate the very large majority of active communities under their banner? https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
Edit: the new mod is also a mod of !gaming@lemmy.world, !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world, !news@lemmy.world, !politicalmemes@lemmy.world, and !iowa@lemmy.world: https://lemmy.world/u/JonsJava
But I guess I am the power mod?
I sent a DM first. The mod didn’t reply to me but opened this thread.
Awkwardly enough, I’m wondering if sometimes a DM doesn’t federate? I feel like I’ve had DMs get ignored, but am wondering now if it was a federation issue.
I specifically used my LW account to make sure the message would go through.
Also, the fact that they posted just after I sent the DM indicated that they received and read it.