Trump drops 6 points in post-debate GOP poll

Trump went from majority support to majority support. He will win the nomination because conservatives, Republicans in particular are terrible, awful people. None of this is really even new, they've been terrible for decades and decades.

Its astounding how gullible a majority of them actually are.
- We need to find some way to meet their needs that isn't politics, because the needs they are meeting have nothing to do with governance.
When so many people make comments like this and "basket of deplorables", is it any wonder that so many people are so enthusiastic about Trump? It's clear to them that people like you think very little of people like them, and they see him as "their guy". Turns out people don't like it when others make sweeping generalizations by calling them, and nearly half the country, evil.
- They actively call my family members "pedophiles" for being gay. I don't like it when they make sweeping generalisations and call my family evil.
  So forgive me for thinking you're a reprehensible person if you support a person as vile as Trump. He started the mudslinging, not us.
- "I don't like people who are actively supporting a bigoted criminal trying to get more power."
  "See, this is why they are supporting the bigoted criminal."
  Okay then...
- I am not responsible for conservatives abhorrent attitudes. If someone pointing out how absolutely shitty you are being makes you even more shitty, that is entirely on you.
- Nah. I just despise traitors.
- They're not the bad guys! They just support the bad guys!
- It is kind of telling how emotionally fragile republicans are based on how the deplorables comment devastated them.
- And this is why democrats throw on the shocked pikachu face every election they lose. When you shit on a person for years, have kneejerk reactions to whatever they think and generalize half the population, don't be shocked when they don't vote for "your guy". Also, your slightly racist grandma will go out and vote every time, when your asses won't.
Rhetoric like that is absolutely going to make them more willing to work with you, you should keep it up.
- I don't want them to work with me, I want them to fuck off
- Literally nothing works on them so why bother? They never change.
- Yeah because we totally want to work with the people actively trying to drive trans kids to suicide, that want 12 year old rape victims to be forced to give birth, that are trying to rewrite history to say slavery wasnt a bad thing that are okay with a president trying to subvert democratic elections, that are calling for a second civil war, that are okay with kids getting shot so long as theres not even the mildest restriction on their guns, that think climate change is a hoax and they should be able to run over protestors, that want ukraine to surrender to Russia and the US should leave NATO, that think public healthcare is communism/slavery, that homeless people just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and billionaires shouldnt be taxed because taxes are theft, that are all for gerrymandering, removing political opponents from office, making it harder for minorities to vote, storming state capitols, calling in bomb threats just to get their guy into office, because he is trying to hurt the people they think deserve to be hurt.
  And we're the bad guys for not caving into their every demand in order to try and "work with them" as they kick and scream and cry the entire time, just to secure the vote of some tosser that believes in half that shit and would switch back to republican the second the dems do something too "woke" for them anyway. Sure, that sounds very productive.
- Lol yeah They haven't been seriously trying to work with anyone since before Newt Gingrich.

This guy could be 20 points down in some random poll. I’m showing up to the polls against him.

Worth pointing out that a national poll is pointless as we do not have national elections.

Show me the polling from these states:

Iowa - 1/15 Caucus - 8/24 - Trump +20
New Hampshire - 1/22 Primary - 8/15-17 - Trump +20
Nevada - 2/6 Primary, 2/8 Caucus 6/26-28 - Trump +30
South Carolina - 2/24 Primary 8/17-19 - Trump +34
Michigan - 2/27 Primary 8/1-2 - Trump +48
Idaho - 3/2 Caucus (no polls available)
D.C. - 3/3 Primary (no polls available)
(Trump D.C. Trial begins) - 3/4
Super Tuesday - 3/5 - Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Masachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia.
Mini-Tuesday - 3/12 - Georgia, Mississipi, Washington

And even if it did have significance, dropping 6 points still puts him way ahead of any of the competition.
- Especially since those 6 points didn't go to one candidate.

Trump being the GOP front-runner is great news for Democrats.

The only thing better would be if Trump tried spinning off onto a 3rd party. Dividing the conservative vote would be the best thing to happen to this country in decades.

The bigger issue for Republicans isn't really Trump, but Trumpism. Let's say that Trump dropped out tomorrow and didn't run as a third party candidate. Apart from pigs flying and Satan having a snowball fight, the Republicans would need to pick a new frontrunner.
The person who would likely have the best chance of winning the general election would be Nikki Haley. This isn't to say that I like her or agree with her positions (I definitely don't). I just think that she would be the Republican candidate that would have the best shot in the 2024 general election.
Nikki isn't going to survive the primary, though. The Republican primaries are all about how far right you can go. They don't cheer moderate conservative views, they cheer far right views. Basically, they want a candidate who will go right up to the "this country should only be run by straight, white, Christian men" and then dip their toe over that line. And this is just getting bolder so soon they'll only vote for someone who is willing to erase the line and arrest anyone who says that there should be a line.
What happens when a "Only Straight White Christian Men" candidate meets the general electorate, though? They get trounced - especially if they're up against a moderate Democrat. (I lean progressive, but I'm enough of a realist to know that moderate Democrats are the best bet to win in some areas.)
So even if Trump were out of the picture, the vicious cycle of "we need someone Republicans even further to the right" will make them less and less electable. Of course, Republicans won't give up power willingly so they'll rely more and more on gerrymandering, disenfranchisement via voter suppression, and other dirty tactics to keep their minority rule.
Definitely. Trump's own ego compels him to run for nomination but by running and winning he increases the chances of losing the election and going to prison with nobody to pardon him.
That said the Democrats need to be very concerned about a 3rd party called "No Labels" that masquerades as a left leaning party but is strongly suspected to be a spoiler party orchestrated by the right. Don't be surprised if Joe Manchin sleazes his way into the limelight by running as their candidate.
- 2016 taught me to not be too confident, but does anyone actually like Manchin?
  Moderate to left types hate him and he has a D next to his name, so GOP voters see him as satanic. Am I missing something?
- strongly suspected to be a spoiler party
  He wouldn't be the only spoiler candidate this year. We already have dumb and dumber running - RFK Jr and West.
  Every last one of these pieces of shit has Republican (and thus Russian) connections.
Hopefully. I remember hearing something similar back in 2016.

Could also be due to his absolutely ridiculous mug shot. He looks like a 5 year old crying and pouting because he has to stand in the corner for doing something bad. From the picture you can easily understand why aids testified under oath that Trump threw food on the wall. You cannot help but wonder: Is President Crybaby going to launch nuclear weapons because he didn't get his ice cream?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fe792f17-6e1f-494f-bc6b-a9e740f16bf7.jpeg

He raised over 7 million dollars from that mugshot in the 48 hours after it was released. Laugh all you want, but his cult was buying up "boohoo I'm so persecuted" merch by rascal load.
- That's a good thing. The more that Crybaby Trump's humiliating picture is out there, the better. And that is another 7 million dollars that will not be used to help elect Republicans
- Who knows if it's really 7 million. He has a habit of inflating numbers.
Also, if the rumors he doesn’t drink are true they he absolutely was crying with those red eyes of his.
- I mean he probably didn't sleep great the night before either. You have to think that underneath all the bullshit and bravado he is actually concerned about facing repercussions even if he firmly believes he did nothing wrong.
  As foolish as he may be, we also know he is a selfish, self-centered egomaniac who is concerned for his own well being above everything else in the entire universe. So I bet he is high-key stressing on this behind the scenes.
This is what weak people think a strong person should look like.
With every ridiculous thing he's done, I'd forgotten about him throwing food at the wall. Thanks for the reminder! I needed a good laugh!
Intentionally choosing the Kubrick stare because he thinks it makes him look innocent says a lot about the characters he sympathizes with and it's kind of terrifying.
I think he's trying to mind control the guy taking the picture.

Negative turnout is going to be a huge deciding factor in this election. Can't win the nomination without Trump, can't win an election with him.

He needs to fucking go.

So, a minimal change and still has him leading the next closest Republican candidate by 38%.

And the two people leading the polls behind him are basically trying to do their best impression of him. So that’s great.

Needs to drop off the planet tbh

Which debate now? The one he missed? Or was there another?

unfortunately now desantis is probably leading and gives Biden a bad chance

"unfortunately now desantis is probably leading" ????
Trump dropped from 56% to 50%.
Desantis rose from 10% to 12%. He is still 38% behind and is not leading in the slightest.
- Desamtis also couldn't beat Biden imo
DeSantis cannot marshall the turnout that Trump can, no way he wins against Biden.
- I hope so, because I remember what happened with Hilary
Given a choice between DeSantis and having a root canal, many people would consider the root canal. DeSantis is a black hole of charisma. He’s utterly unlikeable, and even the nuttiest republican voters are starting to see it. If he were the candidate, Biden would be a shoo-in.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/26/desantis-drops-ramaswamy-rises-in-polls-00113076
DeSantis is super far behind Trump. This loss for Trump won't help DeSantis, not to mention that DeSantis's rating is so low that it wouldn't threaten Biden at all.
- I mostly agree with you. He is still second. So he can hold out hope that Trump goes away.