It's not illegal, but it's still weird, creepy and potentially harmful and no
amount of lambasting about "the problematic age gap discourse" will make it not
true.
The origin of this thread was that the D*stiny subreddit had suspected that Hasan Piker had gone on a date with Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter. LiberalSocialist often reposted threads from the D*stiny subreddit. LiberalSocialist was a very obvious wrecker from the start.
Paris Jackson was 19, almost 20 at the time. Hasan Piker was 26. Paris Jackson was also incredibly wealthy at the time. This was before Hasan had money or fame, it was before he even started his twitch channel. If there was any power dynamic in this situation, it was the multimillionaire heiress who had the power. I don't think a romance was ever even confirmed. Also I think they are still friends who keep in touch.
Oh I remember that shit. I didn't post in that because I've learned to shut the fuck up when the going gets stupid. Probably why I've never caught a ban despite being stupid. Remember folks, you can always choose not to post.
I feel like a complete idiot for actually trying to give an honest answer about how you can disagree with something morally, but that doesn't mean that it must be illegal or punished by the state.
I agree with this in a vacuum but I find this position odd in the specific context of the topic at hand. The way people talk about persons over 25 dating persons under 22, it seems people feel this is tantamount to actual pedophilia. So, you think this is almost as bad as molesting children, but also it should be legal? Why?
I don't really see any downsides to raising the age of consent if this is actually true. The only retort I've heard is that raising the AOC could be weaponized against queer youth, but couldn't that be said of the current AOC? Weaponizing the AOC against queers under 17, acceptable, weaponizing it against early 20s queers crosses a line! Also I think there's ways of preventing that which don't involve NOT having an AOC so we could just raise it and do those things.
Mind you I'm not advocating for raising the AOC here I'm just saying if you think 18-22/3/4 year olds aren't REAL adults and having sex with them is borderline pedophilia, then it's weird not to take the next logical step and make it legally pedophilia.
The answer is that consent isn’t a binary, it’s actually a complex gradient. We all acknowledge this when we talk about power dynamics involved, we are talking about a sort of half-consent.
Marxists also acknowledge consent in things like work and economy is not binary. The Libertarians who are obsessed with contracts and voluntarism believe there is a clear binary of consent, where if you sign a contract you agree to everything. They ignore the complex gradient of coercion that comes into play from desperation for employment, desperation for housing, corporate domination of the legal system, etc.
Actually reviewing every single sexual relationship to determine all of the factors involved including age, relation, wealth, traumatic pasts, cognitive abilities, sobriety level, etc. is an insanely monumental task for any government. One that would involve massive invasions of privacy as well.
So to function, we have to sort of have a line we draw in the sand where we say consent in binary. Otherwise the state could not function and would be overwhelmed by this complexity and scale (hundreds of millions of relationships to review).
The way people talk about persons over 25 dating persons under 22, it seems people feel this is tantamount to actual pedophilia. So, you think this is almost as bad as molesting children, but also it should be legal? Why?
Because I obviously don't think that, and I was trying to explain it to them from their perspective.
I know how to solve the debate once and for all. Just go through the thread and tally up everyone who is banned vs everyone who is still here. Whichever side has more people remaining on the site must have been correct.
Seriously though this is one of the few "struggle sessions" you can find my comments in because obviously this take is correct, if everyone involved is above like 25 and mature enough then fine date whoever you want, idc if the gap is 30 and 95. But if you're above the age of 25 and dating a teenager that is a child and you belong in the
Honest question, let's say you're a 29M who has never dated before or anything remotely close to it, and rather suddenly you have a 18F going around asking other people about you and generally sending the vibe that they want to date you, what should you do?
I'm asking because that actually happened to me, and I decided to just go along with it because partly why not and my dating life wasn't going to get any better doing with me nothing anyways.
Well, I'll do ya one better. If I, right now, at 24 years old, suddenly attracted the attention / infatuation of an 18 year old child, I would maybe be flattered and find it amusing and let her down gently, assuring her that she can certainly find a suitable partner among her peers. An 18 year old child is either in high school or freshly out of high school, almost certainly still living with their parents, most likely has never worked full time or had to worry about supporting themselves, does not have the life skills or experience to be an appropriate partner for me. We are in different stages of our lives.
Neither, really. They were banned for "sustained hostility," a fair bit after that big thread where they got dogpiled. They got into the mindset of "me against the site" and got really combative over every little thing, always looking to pick fights and push contentious angles. I had a bit more sympathy for them than most, but at a certain point getting them off the site was probably better for them.
The final straw was that they started going around saying stuff like: "he/him, man detected, opinion discarded," but it was really more about the sustained hostility.
i said it then and I'll say it now: this was one of the few good LiberalSocialist takes. I don't know about should never, but such a relationship will always have me raising my eyebrows