Biden's Middle East Policy Is Horrific. Trump's Would Be Even Worse
When it comes to the Middle East, the choice in November 2024 is clear enough. We may wish we had a different choice, but we do not.
I've said this before... if you hate Biden's policy on Israel and Gaza, Trump will be even worse!
Remember when Israel illegally invaded Lebanon to set up "a security zone"?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
Yeah, Trump wants to do that with Mexico.
Where’s all the tankies that post “Genocide Joe” comments? Voting for Joe makes you complicit?
They always leave out trump policy. Avoiding voting for Biden or choosing to vote for trump does far worse.
Edit: found ‘em! Still trying to get people to not vote.
What is your definition of tankie?
Probably you, encouraging third party votes refusing to acknowledge it's essentially a throwaway in a presidential election, or your commentary in this thread.
However, the ones like this that just come out and repeat, ad-nauseam, the don't vote for Genocide Joe because you're complicit in Israel's Genocide or something.
https://lemmy.world/comment/10539253
https://lemmy.world/comment/10522919
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/11150536
https://lemmy.world/comment/10516535
https://lemmy.world/comment/10503578
https://lemmy.ml/comment/11490160
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/21621912/11055997
First two pages of a search for "Genocide Joe", I skipped the hexbear ones because they're a caricature of themselves and they can't help it, I also skipped the verbose ones because TL;DR, nobody wants to read it.
You guys really like to use the word "tankie", but you have no idea what it means do you?
If this horror continues until January, Gaza is already gone. I don't even know what the fuck they would do if it stops today. He had the chance to be better and he fucked it up. I actually believed he would be better than this.
Obligatory yes you should still vote for Biden because Trump is obviously worse and undoubtedly the West Bank would be next. Not to mention project 2025. But "horrific" policy is not the best selling point, even when pitted against "even worse" policy. American politics is truly broken.
If this horror continues until January, Gaza is already gone.
As horrible as you think it is, it can get worse. A lot worse.
Time is running out for Hamas to torture and kill Palestinians. This is a good thing.. Embrace it.
My dude we all know what Israel is doing. Take your hasbara and fuck off
Every four years the new voters learn how fucked up their country is, and how ignorant their countrymen are, and the smart ones learn they're never going to get to vote for someone who isn't going to continue America's decades-long horrific foreign policy.
We could vote for someone else. We just have to do three very important things:
ALL OF THESE, each individual step, are massive steps to expect and to take. Yet they are what would fix things. The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is finding leaders people can rally behind. Because make no mistake: Anyone leading this would be in significant danger, and I think most people know that.
The reason you don't see working people truly represented in politics is because whole system was set up by rich people a long time ago and there was a good reason for that - they had the money and time to devote to it. The same is true today. Most working folks simply do not have the time and resources, or will, to find and support the people they want to see in power. Additionally, the modern oligarchs keep most occupied with entertainment and worrying about "the other" folks. As the rich consolidate wealth it becomes even more true. Now we can add espionage into the equation. Russia, China and Iran benefit by pouring money into destabilization tactics through psyops programs designed to destabilize the US. This is accomplished through massive social disinformation, like we often see here and on Fox.
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This!
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Humbug. : )
Unless you mean "because they emigrate", then they're not that smart. By not voting, they acquiesce to whatever becomes policy. They silence their own voice. Pretty damn stupid imo
Even if you vote you acquiesce to what's in charge. It's not like me voting for Biden will stop me being subject to Trump's whims if he wins. It's not like Scott Perry isn't my fucking "representative." That's how government works: Whoever wins makes the rules regardless of how anyone voted, even if they didn't.
In other news: we have confirmed what we already know
Tbh if you're pro Israel you should be voting for Trump. He's the best chance we have at annexing and depopulating Gaza and the West Bank.
yeah, he lost me years ago but i got no beef with someone for whom this year is a bridge too far.
Not endorsing GOP but Pakistan looking at this article is not happy
although tbf they're in south asia not the middle east
Democracy is fake and this "representative" Republic represents nothing but the capitalists. I recommend voting for Chase Oliver, he may be a right winger but at least he's willing to call out the Israeli genocide and occupation of Gaza.
Maybe start looking for a better alternative instead of a worse one.
Where will you find that in this election?
Dr Jill Stein got arrested protesting for Palestine. She's most likely getting my vote unless RFK's poll numbers continue surging and it seems like he could actually win.
There's no way I'm letting this country make me believe my only choice is between two racist octogenarians. That is not democracy.
Democrats dont have a better choice because they never hold their politicians accountable. If they did someone like Biden would have never been their nominee.
The rest of us choose not to participate in electoral politics because our voices do not matter to them, they only answer to the donor class.
So instead of helping keep democracy from crumbling to the ground… you’re just going to step aside because you don’t feel listened to?
Dude… you’re not the only one in the country. It’s virtually impossible for a sitting president to make even half of the country happy with their policy…
Maybe look up what Biden has done just over the past four years compared to the previous 4. Then read up on Project 2025. Then have some responsibly to those that live on your country that are quite possibly going to lose only their rights as human beings if they’re lucky.
This isn’t a fucking joke man. Vote and then spend the next four years actually doing the work it takes to make the change you want. I even give you a bit of advice…
It’ll take a lot more than whining on the internet. It’s going to be hard work. But if you do it right, 2028 could be something to look forward to.
Democrats dont have a better choice because they never hold their politicians accountable.
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Republicans don't either, something that such statements should reflect. I wish there were a better nominee to vote for, but given that Republicans have benefitted from protests on issues that would be handled even worse by them, statements critical of current policy shouldn't be made without the context of what would instead be done if Trump wins the presidential election.
Better vote Republican then!
They are just as much slime
Oh no! The fascists and capitalists that run society have given us the two worst choices to vote for! You better pick one of them to keep the system happy, and don't consider voting for a third party...OR ELSE!
Defeat genocidejoe. Vote pirate. Or West.
Six day old account? Block!
Don’t block these people. Call them out!
So stupid. We have to change the voting system before a “third party” will make any difference. It will take years of lobbying, marching, fighting. Your lazy little protest vote will accomplish nothing. The two parties control the electoral college. No third party has a chance till the system changes. Plus, no current third party is REMOTELY close to being a contender. Last time it even had a chance was Bernie if he ran independent in 2016 after the DNC screwed him and he chose not to. Just voting third party when no third party is showing any sign of winning, in an election like this, is so irresponsible. It proves you have no understanding of government. It’s acting like a child taking their ball and going home.
I was around during Ross Perot's independent run. If he didn't win, no third party had a chance. Ross was extremely popular his first run and when he ran his little whiteboard presentations, a huge number of people watched because that was the most entertaining and relatable show on TV. He drew viewers from both parties. He got 19% of the popular vote and not a single electoral vote.
All due respect to Bernie, but he wouldn't have touched Ross's numbers just because you can't have that kind of reach any more. Third party just can't win.
More like making a fuss and saying they’re taking it home and then stomping off without it
If you think they are the same you are the most privileged of people.
Or dumbest. He could just be a run of mill moron.
Stop supporting Trump
Are comments like this your plan for getting millions of people to vote third party? Because unless you get several million to do that, they have zero chance of winning
If you want to make a meaningful change, you have to play the long game. Right now, we have to vote to mitigate even worse disasters. If I had a viable third party in the presidential race, I would vote for them.
But the key word is viable. We don't have one. So while Biden isn't my favorite, my vote is less for him and more against Trump.
If you want to have a chance to see a third party that more represents your political views, you'll need to campaign for a third party in local, state, and congressional elections for probably decades until they become popular enough to become a viable contender for the presidential office.
But in this presidential election, advocating for voting third party only benefits one person and that's someone who not only would allow a worse genocide but will actively harm people in your community. Voting third party because Biden is complicit makes your actions, as noble and idealistic as you think they are, actively create a worse situation and makes you just as complicit in the pain and suffering that Trump will cause.
So campaign and vote third party in local, state, and congressional elections and build that following to disrupt the two party system. But you've already lost the presidential election.
Genocide Joe died in 1953.