Shout-out to Grayjay

Exactly. Beware of the inevitable enshittification down the line. Once they have the market share, they have no reason not to close their source

He says in the video on yt that you can fork it and modify it however you want for personal use no problem. You just can't make money distributing it I think.

He says in the video it is this way so they can legally pursue forks with malware and advertisements.

I see where you are coming from. Still i would argue that it is open source, since it is open for everyone to see.

The explanation for this more restrictive license was that they want to prevent what happened to newpipe. Some ppl repackaged newpipe with additional crap, put ads on it etc. They want to have the legal geounds to combat these things.

While I don't think, they would go against me for forking it and tweaking things here and there - they have the legal ground to do so...

Wouldn't interacting through Piped just introduce an additional communication layer, which makes interacting with YT slower? I see your argument with Piped, but what would be the pros of using Piped which outweighs the additional communication costs?

The app supports plugins for other platforms with development docs coming that I don't think are out yet. So if they don't add it someone else certainly can

Apple actively sabotages projects like this one. You're using the wrong phone.

Silly apple user you don't get to have good apps

All you can hope is that some day they are forced to support 3rd party apps because of some anti monopoly lawsuit telling them they have too.

But good luck with that, Apple is very powerful and can probably just buy out the right lawyers and judges in that situation.

Or if they were forced to it would have an Apple twist on it like they get to approve the 3rd party app stores that are allowed or something.

Just get an Android phone you can put a custom ROM on and you'll have a very good experience.

use yattee

Do you know if it sends back watch data to the platforms? I pay for Nebula to support the folks I watch, so wouldn't want to lose out on that.

Your mistake chosing an iPhone.

Apple actively sabotages these kinds of projects. You're on the wrong device.

Louis says somewhere in a comment on the presentation video that they won't have (at least for the time being) an iOS app because Apple wouldn't allow it in the Store, so there's that.

I wonder, are there any decent open source apps available for IOS? Asking for a friend, an Android envious friend, (actually my wife)

I don’t see the option either. Need more options like this and Piped (Piped has Yattee on iOS).

Software simply being FOSS does not equal trust. It never has, and never should.

A free program certainly doesn't make it trustworthy.

edit: as pointed out, free stands for liberty to do as you please, not the financial definition. With that in mind, I definitely wouldn't call Grayjoy FOSS due to the license. I like my made up classification, but maybe this would work better; ROSS, "restricted open source software."

An open source program doesn't make it trustworthy. Unless you vet the program yourself you can never be 100% trusting.

For most of us, we're trusting the smaller community of people who actually go through the code for us. We don't trust individual pieces of FOSS, we trust the FOSS community and recognize that a developer is less likely to place malicious software in the code. However, it's also much easier for a malicious 3rd party to fork the program and infect the code.

I'm confident that anything FUTO puts out is going to be heavily looked over by all the Louis haters and fanboys - if they're up to something shady, we'll hear about it.

This particular software is what I'd call Open Source Donation Ware (OSDW)

"please pay us but we aren't checking if you do. Here's the code, if you want you could copy it and remove the payment all together. However, we retain the legal right to destroy any fork that adds spy/malware."

As a model, I can respect it. It's a good medium between releasing the program to the wild and being closed source. It's also a good model for making money for their work, pretty much like winrar's approach (rip now that windows is finally getting native .rar support). Yes, some programs are more subtle with a little coffee cup button, but as long as it doesn't constantly nag you, I'm okay with a more prominent 'donation' button.

What exactly do you mean by "trust", here? Yes, it's not fully FOSS, and I do understand why you wouldn't like or use it because of that, but you can still verify the code, compile it yourself and build and run it with your own modifications, so how would being fully FOSS make you trust it more?

Not sure what part of a free YT+ frontend that doesn't require permissions or an account you don't trust, but the reason is they don't want people to fork it freely and spread a version with malware, like happened to NewPipe.

It isn't free however they are very clear that they make no effort to make you pay for it. IE the app works whether you pay or not and they aren't planning to change that. It's not free in the same way WinRAR isn't free. Here's the announcement video from Louis Rossman where he talks about that. https://youtu.be/5DePDzfyWkw?si=KuNumtHUrtW_kHSC

It's not open source. It's only source available.

I watched a bunch of that too but what was a little concerning to me was holding up Destiny as an example of a good use case for the service. There's a reason Destiny keeps getting banned from every platform he touches. Putting him up front and center makes me wonder if they have a plan to deal with problematic people (like Destiny). Are they just going to the up hosting white supremacists and Neonazis? That's not really a (meta)platform i want to support.

It excludes trackers from apps like YT, Twitch etc, so there is an argument to be made

it's on their site when you click download .. or go to the bottom of the page.

You'll probably want to report that to the devs. It is in alpha so there is a lot to add, fix, and tweak.

Also happened to me.

Also now the rate limit applied for a while to newpipe as well. Kind of unfortunate that until they fix it it's not a very useful app.

If only all modern software was like this, as they used to be over a decade ago ☹️

I know! The alpha is more complete then most companies full releases!

Sure, but it can also update itself.

Since they encourage ppl to write plugins, hopefully someone will write an import feature.

No, only from an existing YouTube account

A desktop app would be nice, but I wouldn't count on an IOS app, because I'm pretty sure this violates app store policies.

But it is an alpha so there's still the chance they could make a desktop app later.