Jill Stein hurts Donald Trump more than Kamala Harris, poll suggests

not even remotely relevant, but hilarious af. upvote

And then in 2022 and in 2024, Republican funded sources started releasing new data just a few weeks before the election to make it look like the Republican candidate had already won, trying to trick people into staying home on Election Day.

Times have changed, and if you're not up to speed with the Republican playbook, today is a good day to start.

"Blue MAGA" are the Democrats who think their shit doesn't stink and love to insist that any vote that doesn't go to Harris is a vote for Trump.

Classical Liberals are right-wing. Yes, this includes the Democrats and non-Socialist Libertarians.

Words can have different colloquial meanings. There is a really crass meaning of liberal that would identify Marx as a liberal, yes, and this is the most popular one in America, but there's another colloquial meaning (more popular in other anglophone countries, but gaining traction in America) where liberals are basically centrists (in capitalist societies) who might pretend to be progressive but are ultimately moderates to their bones. This came from the proclivities of "Liberal" parties, along with centrists understandably claiming the name of whatever the ruling ideology is, and here it is of course liberalism.

Among leftist circles, "liberal" is sort of an unmarked term for the moderate definition and the Lockean definition both, like how "guys" can refer to both a group of males and a group of mixed gender, despite "gals" only referring specifically to a group of females (I'm using those terms because they apply to children also, not just men/women).

So the comment is saying, in translation: "Democrat aligned people will still blame socialists (etc.) like their Democrat ideological cult wants them to." Does that make sense?

No it's not indistinguishable from the left, as issues like this show very clearly. That's just a fiction you're taught by liberals to fool you into thinking they're on your side.

"I have no reading comprehension skills" isn't the own you think it is.

? Do you disagree? Isn't blaming leftists what blue maga is currently priming their voters for if/when they lose?

I think it's funny that someone with "Locke" in their name would seemingly not distinguish between liberals and leftists.

This is a sentence with words, but the arrangement makes no sense. You sure you didn’t generate that from ChatGPT?

This has to be bait. You can't possibly think people think that way, right? .ml people disagree with NATO-sphere liberals about a lot of things to do with Russia, but that's not the same as being mindless Russian chauvinists.

Like, do you really think whatever meetings she had with Putin or whatever it is you blue rags gossip about would be a bigger factor than her opposing the genocide in Gaza, to say nothing of having better climate policies, better immigration policies, and so on?

"But she won't win"

Obviously, but her shaking Putin's hand won't change that. His apparent trick of buying a miniscule number of highly-targeted Facebook ads isn't gonna do much for her, so we need to accept that assumption either way.

I'm voting for PSL, not Greens, btw.

Little known fact. The .ml server is run out of an old Soviet bunker in Leningrad, powered entirely by burning copies of the Victims of Communism leaflets in a converted T-34.

Green party is the most progressive party that has access to 400+ electoral votes. Anyone that wants to participate in the farce would want to vote for them. And Dr Stein pisses off right wingers like no one else, which is a plus.

what's better for the establishment than a candidate that functions as an empty suit?

One could still be pro Democrat or pro democracy, and still do not like Harris. Many things can be true at the same time.

Don't those people usually vote Libertarian?

It’s a fun thing to tell yourself, but more Sanders voters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton voters voted for Obama in 2008.

Many Democrat voters do believe the propaganda, and I imagine it largely keeps them in line so they don't start looking elsewhere. I've heard multiple Democrat voting family members and friends specifically state this year that they think "The Green party only exists to siphon off Democrat votes" It's not just bots. Media is saying it because astroturfing works, unfortunately.

Because democrats are deathly afraid of any mildly progressive party getting funding and being on the ballot nationwide, because then their entire blackmail scheme falls apart. You can't go "you fucking better vote for us, or else" anymore.

The democratic party has been suing to take PSL and the Greens off ballots in multiple states (which also serves to cut into their budget, which is almost entirely small contributions). That's the party trying to save democracy apparently.

It is literally more likely for a socialist revolution to happen in the US than for us to use STV enough to choose the president that way.

But democrats believe in democracy!

Oh geez, really tightening up the narrative now. 3rd party voting in non-swing states is getting demonized.

I would agree with you maybe 10 years ago but I think that the empire being in such decline and leading us to the worst candidates back to back to back it's really hard for me to believe that third parties are to blame for the spoiler effect. Taking third parties off the ballot most likely wouldn't have the effect that people put on them because everyone has an opinion on the two candidates more than ever.

yawn and thats their decision. Candidates are not entitled to a person vote, they need to earn it. If you wabt your candidate to win those votes then get them to adopt the policies that caused those voters to not vote for them.

Trump's case: being a corrupt authorian, racist, and all around shit human. Harris: a genocidal corporate lapdog.

Trump is unfixable along with the people who vote for him. Harris might be able to stop being a genocidal ass.🤷

Yep. Thought that was weird since he dropped out.

I've also seen people vote third party for just as long and not a damn thing has changed either. In fact I used to be one of them.

Sure, if you're willing to take your actions to the streets and have a large following behind you, then by all means strike while the fire is hot.

But if you're not organised other than a vague internet presence, now is really not the time to fuck about.

Right? If we have nukes, we should just use them! The threat itself does nothing....

(...think before you speak)

2 minutes before a two-horse election apparently is a fantastic time for it

tips hat, backs out of the room

'What's wrong with this foreign stooge spoiler candidate? I don't know how elections or trolley problems work!'

Blocked.

Donald Trump is a threat to democracy 😭😭😭 now shut up and vote for the candidate, peasant. You'll have a primary when you earn it.

You'd be right if first past the post didn't exist, unfortunately the game is rigged

My best friend best represents my position but voting for him does nothing. Rigid morals that have no impact on improving anything are pointless.

Democracy enjoyers understand that this version of democracy doesn't care about third parties 🤷‍♂️ vote for the lesser evil and campaign locally for vote reform

I'm sorry that I live in reality and like to focus on actual outcomes instead the little butterflies I get when I make empty idealistic speeches.

Getting Trump elected better represents your position? Then by all means - that's the only thing your vote can actually accomplish in her bucket.

You're allowed to do whatever you want, I just want you to understand that you're choosing to literally do nothing 🤷‍♂️ you're not making a stand, you're not sending a message, and you're not enacting change. You're voting for Donald Trump while making yourself feel like you're fighting an ideological battle.