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Lukewarm take: mods had valid grievances, but were dumb as fuck to unilaterally make a major decision without even consulting the community beforehand, which is definitely worse imo.
It reminds me of so many subreddits where overactive mods decide they know what’s best for their subreddit and impose rules that would never pass a basic yes/no poll, demonstrating they don’t actually care about the community. Mods are supposed to be janitors (not an insult, just statement of fact), but too often act with the presumed arrogance of “leaders”.
Edit to add: this is what the mods should have done:
Make a stickied thread with examples of users being banned or comments being removed unjustly
Ask users if the above justifies moving to a new host, and if so ask which one
It’s that simple
- ...impose rules that would never pass a basic yes/no poll...
  I generally agree with your comment, but I wanted to point out that the tyranny of the majority can still be a major issue. For example, there are often times when a majority of people believe the opposite of what a small number of experts agree is the best course of action. You can see this in laws that suppress trans rights receiving wider public support, even when they go against medical best practices.
  
  So? The solution isn't some oligarchy making dictatorial or unilateral decisions on behalf of the majority. The solution is the minority are free to move to their preferred platform and build a new community...
- 100% agreed. It just reeks of mods thinking they own and know what's best for the community, further exacerbated by comments like this one. They think they are the community, or at least are the reason it thrives.
- It reminds me of so many subreddits where overactive mods decide they know what’s best for their subreddit and impose rules that would never pass a basic yes/no poll
  I’ve been a moderator of a subreddit and had to deal with people complaining about rules that were, in fact, voted in by a poll stickied for a month.
  
  You're always going to have someone that doesn't like a rule, but I'd much rather bitch about a rule that the community voted on that have to deal with the mercurial whims of the mod team.
- Mods are supposed to be janitors (not an insult, just statement of fact), but too often act with the presumed arrogance of “leaders”.
  Yes exactly. I have no stake in the 169 thing, but this applies universally. We don't need you to remove comments that "don't contribute to the discussion". We don't need to hear whether you think someone is "participating in bad faith" (the fuck does that even mean!?). We need you to remove spam and rule-breaking content, and ban repeat offenders. That's literally it. We can put up with some bullshit because after all mods are unpaid volunteers who don't owe anything to anyone, but at some point enough is enough.
  
  I agree, janitors is the correct description here. It's not an insult.
  I don't know that we ever remove comments for "not contributing to the discussion" unless I'm just not seeing it. Ironically, our concern about some of Ada's bans had to do with her saying that they were "participating in bad faith" which is why we asked for a more specific rules from her.
  Not defending our recently actions as a group, just curious if anyone was actually banning for "not contributing to discussion" or if it was more of a random example.
- What they should have done is even easier: leave and make their own community. Thats what the Fediverse is about.

so... did we move or what?
- there was a new 196 created, however it states it will be deleted if the original is opened back up. the mods did open up the original 196, but people seem to want the mods replaced so the replacement 196 has not been deleted yet
  
  I think the mods here should be replaced. Let someone else who wants to do better take over here. Someone who has investment in blahaj.zone and cares about the community. Not someone who only has an alt here that they never log into.
  
  great, when I visited the new 196, I followed the rule, and they hated the song I posted, it must be them and not my musical taste, so I better post it here too because this thread baited me to visit the community page, so I gotta follow the rules.
  
  Wanting the mods to step down is honestly just so nasty and non-appreciative of what they've done. I don't get why there has been a backlash at all.

This belongs on !bestoflemmy@lemmy.world lmfao, it's a perfect summary 😂

I guessed I missed that! But why, though?
- Differences in moderation practices. See the pinned thread for a full explanation, because despite Erotador's confidence in speaking for us, the federation issues had nothing to do with our differences.
  
  im basing what i said off of this quote from ada linked here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12466657
  "I have asked 196 for years now to have an active blahaj.zone mod so that someone can deal with the blahaj.zone reports that constantly come through and build up, but still, the best we got were mods with alt accounts that get checked every couple of days, leaving me to deal with the build up of reports on 196. Sometimes they would hang around there for days while I waited for a 196 mod to log in and look at them. And because you don't like the way I deal with them, you drag me over the coals for my moderation style, despite no one from 196 stepping up to deal with those reports on a regular basis."
  i assumed this was a federation issue due to yall not using blahaj.zone accounts.
- 196 mods were using lemmy.world accounts, not blahaj.zone accounts so due to issues with federation sometimes reports would not be dealt with for days, ada the instance admin would take care of some of these reports, however the 196 mods disagreed with some of the decisions she made. they decided to move the community to lemmy.world, by locking the original community and linking the new one, for various reasons people were upset. some people were defederated by default, some didnt want to go on lemmy.world servers or had their instanced blocked, and some many didnt like how the mods handled the situation in general during the whole ordeal.
  
  Wow! Seems like there was an easier solution 😆. Thanks for the recap!
  
  I keep seeing comments like this about none of us having local accounts. My account is local??? I was one of the first mods brought on by Moss, so I'm not sure where this came from. I had a shitjustworks account at first, but I switched over almost immediately so maybe that was it? Our reports counter is consistently at 0.
  The rest is accurate.

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