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Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.
Yes, Stalin bad.
But Guevara is not Stalin.
Marx is not che
Engels is not Marx
China is not communist.
Marxism is not materialism
Socialism is not communism
Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.
How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?
While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.
- Yeah, that's not the tankies here; these are "North Korea is a great country, actually" tankies.
  
  Also, "anything negative about a communist country is US propaganda"
  
  Should probably listen to Blowback Season 3.
  Not to say they're a perfect country but to pretend that anyone in the West can critique them when their material conditions are dictated by the actions of the West is just comical.
  If you aren't a materialist, what are you even doing? As if history happens in the realm of pure thought.....
- When a liberal says "tankie" they mean anything remotely communist-looking. When a leftist says "tankie", they mean authoritarians who like red flags and self-proclaimed communists who nonetheless support hierarchies and have no plan or intention to bring them down. I think the vast majority of people here knows this already.
  
  I think the vast majority of people here knows this already.
  You are way optimistic.
  
  Mostly True, while (at least in my part of the world) there are a lot of people who like red flags but fight against hierarchies.
- Is the USA a “functioning” state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?
  I hope you realize that this is an incredibly privileged take. The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn't even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or (to a less extreme extent) Maduro's Venezuela. To compare what a US citizen deals with on a daily basis due to capitalism to what a citizen of any of those countries had to go through is very reductive and may be perceived as disrespectful to many who had to live those experiences.
  
  The United States, for all it's faults, is the pretty side of capitalism.you don't even need to look to the most poor countries to see a standard of living that makes even directly post ww2 soviet union look like a great place.
  
  The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn’t even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot’s Cambodia
  I have some fellas from Detroit that would disagree.
  
  Im not from USA, and from my point of view its mich worse than most other countries (no healthcare, no independend courts, murder sprees in schools nearly every day, opression of half of the world (a half of them just to get more oil to destroy the planet faster), one of 3 of the biggest war-pushers in whole earth, polutes and destroys earth mode than every other country per citizens, etc. PP.)
  capitalism mostly opresses and profits from people out of the country to Funktion. if its Bad in Venezuela or Cuba or Afghanistan, or even early russia, thats at least partly fault of US.
  Venezuela is not communism, China isnt, russia isnt. Most of them have failed, at least partly because caputalist societys atack them and stop a as soon as they are born and they can't form a stable democracy. Before reading Marx, your bashing of communism isnt worth anything, as you clearly don't understand what you are talking about. We never had communism, and some would say not even socialism. You sound like you don't even know the difference, since you keep talking about communism, which is a utopian society after humanity has stopped a lot of bad habits and has learned to live without working against each other in competition and working together instead, which arises maybe after generations of workig socialism, which we clearly didn't have.
  4.you exactly prove my point. I dont agree with tankies either, but the number of people around here blindly copying capitalist propaganda while understanding nothing they bash about is too damm high.
  
  This take, rather than being incredibly privileged, is just stupid. I love the examples used. Pol Pot's Cambodia (which hasn't existed for a while) was propped up by the U.S. Maduro's Venezuela has hardship due to western sanctions (including from the U.S.), which a U.N. report found:
  Shrank government revenue by 99% (the report acknowledges the majority of government funds were spent on universal services including free housing) [p. 5].
  “had a devastating effect on the people, especially the most vulnerable – such as women, children, the elderly, people with disabilities or life-threatening or chronic diseases, and indigenous communities” [p. 5].
  In 2020 alone prevented ~2.6 million people from receiving blood reagents and deprived at least another 123,000 others of blood transfusions [p. 8].
  Drastically increased poverty and infant mortality [p. 8].
  Prohibited the purchase of certain antibiotics and other treatments which resulted in the prevention of ~180,000 surgeries [p. 8].
  Created a reported 50-70% drop in public health workers [p. 10].
  Dropped internet coverage in the country from 50-90% of territory to 10% [p. 12].
  The U.S. is an imperialist country that drives up oppression in numerous nations, and it is silly and ignorant to talk of its effects in isolation alone. You seemingly ignored the whole "invading other countries for monetary interests part of OP's comment (and the millions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan thereof, for instance). This is the only way that domestic rights in the U.S. have been able to surpass other nations. Even still, there are destitute groups in the U.S. which lack rights and the means of subsistence, and to downplay this by pointing to worse conditions in other nations which the U.S. directly caused is laughable and childish.
  
  Well of course the standard of living in the imperial core is higher than the countries it has exploited or destabilized. A lot of American wealth is the fruit of imperialism.
- Seems weird that you want to ignore the fact that communism has never worked once lol
  
  Capitalism has killed orders of magnitude more than communism.
  
  Again: seems weitd that you think, a New thing needs to work after 3 -5 trys.
  Capitalism was tried 100erds of times and still doesnt work...

Based.
They already have lemmygrad.
Honestly, I don't think we need them here.
- the have genzdong in there lol

tankies more like no thankies

This comment section is really something uh
- Tankies on their way to explain why teaming up with the Nazis to conquer Poland is actually based and totally in line with Marxist philosophy.
  
  Can you give an actual example?
  
  When you definitely understand why Molotov-Ribbentrop happened

I got banned from lemmygrad for saying acab means all cops lmao
- they yearn for the glorious people's boot
  
  500 years ago these mfs were the pro monarchy serfs
- Meanwhile anarchist organizing doesn't have cops, it has Agents of Community Defense who definitely aren't cops!
  I have nothing against anarchists, but you need to see past slogans to be anything but a useful idiot to neoliberals.
  
  I mean any person or entity that enforces oppressive laws is a bastard. The government of China is far from some sort of benevolent state.

there's literally a community called "moretankie196", they should go infest that one instead
- "lemmygrad.ml" was the most infested for the last year, "lemmy.ml" the 2nd worst. They ban for being lucid. ".ml" stands for Marxist Leninist !
  
  I thought ml stands for make love
  
  actually it was chosen because the .ml domain is ludicrously cheap to get, like to the level of basically being free

Just removed like 40 comments and banned a buncha people.

finds social media developed by tankies
looks inside
finds tankies
fr I'm down with having a good old purge eventually but noone should be surprised
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  Literally doing the "so much for the tolerant left" shtick.
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What are some good actual communist lemmy communities that aren't supporting the fucking capitalist imperialist russian invasion?
- look for anarchists if you desire a classless, stateless, moneyless society.
  communism has been coopted by auth apologists infatuated with the color red.
  
  But what if I'm not an anarchist? I like Marx but not Lenin, so I can't be an ML either.
  
  communism has been coopted by auth apologists infatuated with the color red.
  Which happened almost instantly. I don't have much hope that other radical leftist movements will fare much better.
- I'm on the FMHY instance and the only political ideology community that's been showing up in my feed has been Anarchism, so it's probably the instance to join if you're libleft and don't want to deal with Auth shit.

Can we have something like tankiejerk here? I seriously liked browsing that sub after a bad day with the red fashs.
- that sub often tended towards outright anti-leftism
  
  That's the unfortunate thing.
  Start criticizing the Soviet union and you'll end up with a bunch of people left bashing in general.
  
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  Anticommunism and fascism are the best of friends.
  
  Nah, I joined their Discord for a bit and everyone there was a leftist.
  
  Fascism? In MY "anti-tankie" subreddit? It's more likely than you'd guess!
- didn't they have a problem with people doing alt-right dogwhistles about anti-white racism recently? and it got so bad that they had to make a mod announcement telling people to stop doing it and all of the users started trying to explain to the mods how it definitely wasn't a right wing dogwhistle
- !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

Thank fuck. I thought Lemmy was some ultra militant leftist hellhole before the shift.
I don't like extreme radical left any more than extreme radical right.
Fuck Che Guevara. Read a book.
- tankies arent radical left. they are authoritarians ffs
  
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- what if the book is Che Guevaras "Guerrilla Warfare"
  
  Is being a good tactician and being a genocidal, totalitarian extremist an oil and water situation?
  He can be both.
- How about Saw Gerrera?
  
  Saw Gerrera is an extremist and must be brought to justice for the good of the Empire.
- c/EnlightedCentrism
- Che Guevara did a lot of good for people, like the people of Cuba. Considering he fought, and helped Cuba free itself from being a colony to the United States and against Batista. I didn't know people fighting for the right to not be under colonial rule and have their own self determination is "extreme".
  Also maybe go check out "On revolutionary medicine" by Che Guevara. I'll also leave this quote from him.
  ...the life of a single human being, is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth...
- Reading books is how you become communist, not anticommunist. Anticommunism depends on an ignorance of history and incuriosity generally.

Vaush moment

What's a tankie?
- Hard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit
  
  Isn't "authoritarian communist" kind of an oxymoron? 😂 like the whole point of communism is that there isn't a ruling class. I guess Russia and China were never really communist, just statist authoritarian right? I mean, the Nazis called themselves Socialist. They were nowhere near that
  
  Stalin
  Certain aspects of Stalin? Or in general?
  
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  oh ok so bhreznevites
  
  Thanks, that was very helpful.
  Now, can you explain the 196 reference for me?
  
  So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves “socialist” or “communist” - are “Tankies”.
  Would be good to point out these people you are mentioning are not all the same.
  There are people that Are critical of Russia, but don't buy from western propaganda and are being called tankies too.
  It is more like, if one dare to question the western narrative = tankie.
- A nazi with red aesthetic
  
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- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie#:~:text=Tankie%20is%20a%20pejorative%20label,with%20Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism%20in%20history
- the people who made lemmy lol
  
  Spez and Unidan made reddit and no-one likes them either
- It's the prog-lib equivalent of woke. It's used dismiss leftists with out engaging with our arguments. The term has lite ideological or argumentative use.
  
  Libs use it that way, actual leftists use it to describe fascists that think they're on the left and like red flags.
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  Yes, because lunatics that support dictators just because they have wrapped a red flag around themselves and drop occasional buzzword are totally leftists.

I have always wondered why it always says "Kick _" when she is punching instead of kicking. Lol.

300 Comments already. Oh my god! Lol.
- Gotta love it

Honest question - what's a tankie? I feel like I've seen them mentioned a ton on Lemmy but I'd never heard the term prior to a few days ago. From the image it looks like a maga/skinhead combo?
- They're communists, but not your every day "people should hold the power" communists. More like "tianenmen never happened, and if it did it wasn't that bad" type
  
  Which makes them no different from the western imperialists they hate so much.
- Tankie was first used for that kind of communist supporter who kept singing Russia's praises/defending Russia even when Russia was sent 5000 tanks to crush a popular uprising in Czechoslovakia (the "Prague Spring") on August 20, 1968. Some people just couldn't accept that a communist country could do something bad, so defended the action.
  Nowadays, it's used to refer to those that are strongly supportive of Russia, completely ignoring the awful things they do. Often these days there's a lot of anti American bent to it. Like, anything anti America and American "imperialism" must be good - even blatant and awful Russian Imperialism.
  These days they calmly explain how Ukraine just needs to come to the table and discuss peace (ignoring that Ukraine wouldn't exist if they did so) and blame America for the war in Ukraine for... well... they're America. The people who want war, or are causing the war, are those giving Ukraine weapons - not the country that is literally invading it.
  
  Thanks for the explanation. I believe they are also called Rashists, at least Ukrainians call them that.
  
  I think a better term is "Campist" which is the trend within revisionist marxists to side with one imperialist camp to oppose another. it's the same shit the SPD did during WW1
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
  Basically, it's Communists who support authoritarianism.
  
  what is "authoritarianism" to you?
  
  There's a lot of abstractions in that link but I think the following action is a meaningful distinction to call out:
  The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[7][8] Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung.
- Originally, it was used to describe communists who followed the party line and supported suppressing Hungarian workers with tanks.
  Today it means ultra-authoritarian marxist-leninist.
  
  I mean there is a word for that that's less derogatory: Stalinist
- From the image it looks like a maga/skinhead combo?
  For context, the image originally said kick nazis out of punk.
- genocide denier and hard authoritarian. fash dressed in red, basically.
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  Concrete views like the idea that the government being able to jail dissenters at will is bad? That unlimited state power inevitably leads to authoritarianism? That labeling yourself socialist doesn't necessarily mean you're actually a socialist state?
  
  You're so insufferably cocksure in your positions everywhere else, but when someone honestly asks what a tankie is, you just get defensive and can't master up the courage to just say what it is that you stand for? I really get the impression that you're just here to stir up shit.
- Or, to put it another way: socialism has powerful enemies. Those enemies don’t care how you feel about Marx or Makhno or Deleuze or communism in the abstract, they care about your feelings towards FARC, the Naxals, Cuba, North Korea, etc. They care about your position with respect to states and contenders-for-statehood, and how likely you are to try and emulate them. They are not worried about the molecular and the rhizomatic because they know that those things can be brought back into line by the application of force. It’s their monopoly on force that they are primarily concerned to protect. When you desert real socialism in favor of ideal socialism, the kind that never took up arms against anybody, you’re doing them a favor.
  https://redsails.org/tankies/
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  Instead of fascists and capitalists
  MLs not realizing that they are pretty much both.
- It's an insult used by liberals to punch left. Because liberals, as a rule, don't really read history or politics with any depth, they don't use it consistently. Sometimes it is conflated with communist. Sometimes they throw it at liberals that are just a bit less racist and xenophobic than them.
  Originally it meant communists who supported the 1956 invasion of Hungary, and was used by British communists to split up their own parties on the issue.

How a lot of you sound
- No one is suggesting that the states the authoritarian communists replaced were good or functional, just that they failed to actually uplift and make people's lives better. There's nothing to admire about one oppressive state being replaced by another.

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- ITT: a bunch of lying ideologues that deny basic historical realities like the deliberate engineering of the holodomor or the brutal repression of dissent in soviet states
  
  Maybe if "basic history" means "literally never read a book about it by a historian". Your description is a debunked fringe theory that was only ever entertained by a single serious historian and he was a big Cold Warrior that embarrassed himself.
  You should begin your education by reading Wheatcroft and Davies.
  
  basic historical realities like the deliberate engineering of the holodomor
  You should be embarassed. The consensus even among neoliberal historians (and not neoliberal pop-historians like Applebaum) is that it was not "engineered" and the Soviets did not desire to starve the soviet peasantry in the area because that's a hysterical double-holocaust myth.
  https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
  
  the deliberate engineering of the holodomor
  Do you have a single source to back this up?
- Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?
  https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
  
  A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is
  What dialectics does to a mfer
  
  undefined> he political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution
  I think the history has shown this to be false
- Please, the liberals in this thread don't even know what an Engels even is.
  
  Engles killed 100 zillion people.
  
  He's my buddy I just asked for rent money

take something antifascist and edit it to be anticommunist, classic reddit behavior
- Tankies are not communists. They are blanquists at best.
  
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- anti authoritarian*
  you're telling on yourself
  
  I know it's an older image, but it's literally edited to say "Kick ~~Nazis~~ Tankies out"
  It's such a blatant attempt to divide the left, and it explicitly does so in favor of dealing with our shared enemy.
  Who is telling on who?
  
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- tankies aren't communists lmao, stay mad
  
  uh oh you said the forbidden word, here come several of the world's most unfuckable people to tell you about how anti authoritarians are the real fascists and if you'd just spend half a year fully immersing yourself in russian state propaganda, you'd get it too.
- Take something antifascists and edit to be ... still antifascists.

Fair

This post has literally 6 times the comments of the next most-comments post, jesus. Wonder what could have triggered this!

Literally just made an account and am just a Reddit pleb. What exactly are tankies and what is 196? Guessing it's a Lemmy server but otherwise unsure
- 196 is a shitpost sub where you must post something when you vist
  a tankie is a authoritarian that believes they're a communist. they support the imperialist invasion of Ukraine, and they deny the tianaman square massacre, where the CCP ran tanks over college students protesting the authoritarian government. they deny a bunch of other atrocities as well, these are the only two i can think of right now.
  a lot of tankies are going to be posting an essay by Engles that defends authoritarianism, asserting that authoritarianism is compatible with communism. which, while sure, isn't ideal because one person having power always ends in genocide. well, it doesn't end in genocide, genocide just... happens under authoritarianism.
  
  Citations Needed
  
  I forgot about that famous picture/video of a tank running over a lone man. Oh wait, the tank tried to go around and eventually stopped when the man wouldn't get out of the way
- A tankie is a leftist who doesn't agree with mainstream geopolitical opinions or shows any interest in nuance
  Tankies [1] don’t usually believe that Stalin or Mao “did nothing wrong,” although many do use that phrase for effect (this is the internet, remember). We believe that Stalin and Mao were committed socialists who, despite their mistakes, did much more for humanity than most of the bourgeois politicians who are typically put forward as role models (Washington? Jefferson? JFK? Jimmy Carter?), and that they haven’t been judged according to the same standard as those bourgeois politicians. People call this “whataboutism” [2], but the claim “Stalin was a monster” is implicitly a comparative claim meaning “Stalin was qualitatively different from and worse than e.g. Churchill,” and I think the opposite is the case. If people are going to make veiled comparisons, us tankies have the right to answer with open ones.
  The reason we “defend authoritarian dictators” is because we want to defend the accomplishments of really existing socialism, and other people’s false or exaggerated beliefs about those “dictators” almost always get in the way — it’s not tankies but normies [4] who commit the synecdoche of reducing all of really existing socialism to Stalin and Mao. Those accomplishments include raising standards of living, achieving unprecedented income equality, massive gains in women’s rights and the position of women vis-a-vis men, defeating the Nazis, raising life expectancy, ending illiteracy, putting an end to periodic famines, inspiring and providing material aid to decolonizing movements (e.g. Vietnam, China, South Africa, Burkina Faso, Indonesia), which scared the West into conceding civil rights and the welfare state. These were greater strides in the direction of abolishing capitalism than any other society has ever made. These are the gains that are so important to insist on, against the CIA/Trotskyist/ultraleft consensus that the Soviet Union was basically an evil empire and Stalin a deranged butcher.
  https://redsails.org/tankies/
  
  Tankies [1] don’t usually believe that Stalin or Mao “did nothing wrong,” although many do use that phrase for effect (this is the internet, remember)
  Fair enough. Though I do disagree that they don't usually deny their shortcomings but both sides of that claim are pretty hard to prove so I concede.
  We believe that Stalin and Mao were committed socialists who, despite their mistakes, did much more for humanity than most of the bourgeois politicians who are typically put forward as role models (Washington? Jefferson? JFK? Jimmy Carter?), and that they haven’t been judged according to the same standard as those bourgeois politicians.
  Ok you can make that argument
  People call this “whataboutism”
  "Tankies" do often use whataboutism, that's irrefutable. Is this specific claim whataboutism? I'd say borderline, but I can see why it's still a point worth bringing up.
  but the claim “Stalin was a monster” is implicitly a comparative claim
  No, it's not - or at least not in the way he's implying. The claim is overly vague (how do we define a monster?) but it's not comparative. Whether Churchill committed atrocities (he did) and whether Stalin committed atrocities (he did) have no bearing on one another. All we have to do is define a monster - then we can measure whether a given leader was a monster. The only comparison needed is between the leader and the definition.
  If people are going to make veiled comparisons, us tankies have the right to answer with open ones.
  Sure, that's true. Except like I said that "Stalin was a monster" is not comparative. If someone says "Stalin was worse than Churchill" than Churchill is relevant. But if someone says "Stalin committed atrocities" then it is whataboutism to answer "So did Churchill." Churchill's atrocities bear no relevance to Stalin's.
  A tankie is a leftist who doesn’t agree with mainstream geopolitical opinions
  This is a stretch. Leftism, by and large, doesn't agree with "mainstream geopolitical opinions" so this doesn't properly distinguish them from other Leftists.
  A tankie is a leftist who... shows any interest in nuance
  Laughable. Tankies originate from Leftists walking the party line so claiming that all non-tankies lack "nuance" is a very... interesting accusation.
  
  "Really existing socialism" of course meaning "a system wherein workers have zero effective political power."
  Just because it's true that the ML movement was an essential part of decolonialization, and because it isn't true that the USSR was some evil empire, doesn't mean that the ideologies that underpin(ned) those societies aren't deeply flawed.
  The USSR was not an evil empire, no, but the political structure of a hierarchical, command-based politic lead exactly where critics said it would lead. The "ultraleft", as you call them, including Luxemburg and Anarchist communists warned Lenin exactly what would go wrong in the USSR, and Lenin did not listen.
  That's why Lenin is a counter-revolutionary by deed if not by intent. By his actions, the power of the people's and worker's soviets were shattered and replaced with corrupt bureaucracy.
  Also, hey, go tell a Tartar, Kalmykk or other displaced ethnic group who were victim of Stalin's genocide that he wasn't a deranged butcher. Maybe if you survive you can tell me what you learned.
  
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- To quote wikipedia
  Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. The term was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.
- Tankies are far left Marxists/Communists that are so anti- USA/West that they gladly defend almost anything that opposes the USA. Even authoritarian states like Russia and China. To be clear not every Communist is a Tankie through. And if you critizises on of this countries for horrible stuff, the Tankies will see you automatically as a USA chill. Because, from my online interactions with them, they see the world in black and white.
  
  Huh, thanks for the info. I've never heard that term before nor have I ever run into any of those people on the internet though I guess platforms like this attract people like that more because of the lack of any central moderation team
- 196 is the server you're in right now, tankies is a slang term for the more authoritarian types of communists (like Stalinists and such)
  
  can we please not let the discord brainrot spread here? this is a post on the lemmy.blahaj.zone server, in the 196 community.

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Why are Blanquists even in the Fediverse? The Fediverse is about decentralization while Blanquists are for the extreme opposite.
- Imagine cracking open Bernstein to attack MLs
- One factor is that the main devs of lemmy are marxist-lennists, so they are more lax in regards to tankie content. Another factor is that people fled to lemmygrad once genzedong was banned from reddit.
  
  Ya the genzedong ban made lemmy be lemmygrad unless you blocked the instance for a month or two.

dumb
- ? The developers of Lemmy are tankies, it’s important to make sure that tankies know they aren’t welcome here.
  
  Gotta ask for both a source and your definition of a "tankie".
  You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
  
  and thats dumb, and youre dumb. 😄
  you enjoy the work of tankies, but hate them? use your brain, stop being a child.

What does authority look like?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
- ur mom
  
  Yeah moms are authoritarian! Abolish bedtimes!!

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- No. Rejection of extremism does not imply acceptance of some other form of extremism.
  
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  Centrism in practice
  
  "Extremism" is a term that relieves its user of making any value judgments on the political questions at hand. A thought-terminating cliché that shovels unearned acceptance on the status quo and an unearned rejection of everything else.
  A particularly funny part of it is that the early architects of thst status quo would hsve counted as extremists.
  
  real both sides has never been tried ;)
- "I don't think ethnic purges are justified under any circumstance"
  "YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE NAZIS"
  
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Baaaased

I don't know what tankies are and at this point I'm too afraid to ask
- Usually people who advocate military communism, such as defending tiananmen square, Stalin, and more. Basically it's usually the belief that anything a government professing to be communist does must be good.
  
  I should emphasize that a lot of pro-Western outlets and commentators have recently weaponised the term to discredit any diverging points of view re-the Ukraine War. So someone like Cornel West would be a "tankie" by this point of view, which is actually kind of disgusting in how dishonest it is.

When a leftist, or progressive says “tankie” it is different from what the mainstream media perceives. It (tankie) indicates someone who is overzealously supportive of non-Western imperialist countries such as Russia and China and denies their atrocities.
Also, the term developed from the tanks deplored by the user to invade Hungary and denote people who supported such action.

why?

seeing you guys flood our site (made by MLs, the "tankies" you refer to) and then saying that we need to be kicked out is hilarious

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