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Every Canadian and European fedi community right now
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It's kinda a weird take? Like if I'm in a discussion about some scary things AfD are doing and a left-of-center German joins the conversation, I'd like to think I'd have the ability to...you know...hear what they have to say about things.
There are a bunch of Americans who asked for this; there are a bunch who stood by and did nothing to stop it; and there are a bunch who tried to stop it, did not, and are devastated.
I guess at the end of the day it's just a meme.
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Here's my (admittedly hotheaded) Canadian perspective.
Germans, as a baseline, don't dominate online culture. Everywhere I look on the internet, I'm reading about Americans. It never stops. I have to constantly filter through American politics, drama, and celebrity news. It feels like we are finally moving away from American-centricity and having discussions about how living at the whims of this superpower is negatively affecting us.
Americans butt in on this and give their takes on it and man... I just don't care. Their country collectively chose this. My career and ability to provide for my family is seriously at risk because 90 MILLION of them couldn't be bothered to vote.
For this one, single discussion, just this one time, please, butt out.
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After years of being lumped in the same group with every momentarily [in]famous idiot from each of our countries, years of disregard of our regional differences and being plastered with stereotypes from obscure towns a whole country away, it's time we get to stop caring. The United States of America is threatening us. Not one guy, not one party, not certain states. Why should we give a shit that you live in one state or another? As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. I don't see many solutions, just a whole lot of distancing yourself from those who represent you by whatever arbitrary distinction you can come up with. America is the problem. We don't want to hear from you until you've solved it.
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It would be very nice to move away from this American-centrality hyperfocus for once. I try to avoid it but you just can't, there is too much noise online or default-ism.
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As an American who lives in the EU I'd say I experience what you hypothetically describe a LOT more than what the comic does.
Like even to the point of it sometimes being a little annoying. People I barley know asking me my opinions on trump, why people can like him, what's up with the whole egg price thing, etc
Most Europeans I know just want to understand wtf is going on and what things are actually like
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I guess how many of the do nothing's are now the ones saying I didn't vote for this. Umm yes you did.
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Oh absolutely; the folks who sat at home, are outraged that a fascist is in power, and are too dumb to understand how voting works to realize that they enabled it --- they are infuriating.
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I‘m german and I watch in real time how a fascist Gouvernement is taking over the US.
Sometimes I feel like I take crazy pills, when a friend of mine assures me that Donald Trump is just a business man who wants to help the country. Or when a good friend of mine who I considered sane and intelligent until this moment sends me a link to a J. D. Vance interview and tells me what a very smart guy this is.
It’s infuriating. And lonely. I think every American against this should be allowed to speak openly and participate. We have to work together, or we have lost already.
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Lonely is right.
The amount of respect that I've lost for my family over the past decade is immeasurable. They taught me right from wrong, and now they're surprised that I think differently from them. My brother is the only one I'm still close with; everyone else I've been keeping at increasingly large distances. I used to call Mom almost every day, and now I'm lucky if I call her once a week.
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This is so fucking accurate. My mom and dad are both Elon musk-sniffers. I used to think they were intelligent, but the way they just drink the conservative business billionaire worship flavoraid is embarrassing. Fortunately, my younger sister is equally frustrated talking to them, and we often talk about their ignorance.
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Honestly I can very much relate. Both my parents are boomers and lifelong conservatives. Our relationships have always been strained but I'm questioning if I should or can even keep contact with them at this point. I'm revolted that they're both Trump voters and supporters.
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All of my extended family are American. I've lost all but my great-grandparents to Trump and MAGA, and that's only because they're old enough to remember World War 2. Everyone else has lost their fucking minds and either think Trump is the greatest thing to ever happen to the US, or don't recognize just how bad things are going to get.
My mom told my grandparents that if they voted for Trump or if Trump won, we would never visit them in the States again until it gets its shit together because frankly the US is not a safe place to be right now. Guess who they chose over their own family?
Needless to say, I've gone no-contact with most of them. I am ashamed to be related to most of them. Thank fuck my mom didn't turn out the same way and moved to Canada 25ish years ago. My dad, on the other hand, is definitely drinking the Conservative Kool-Aid and it's hard to talk to him without politics being brought up.
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I can assure you that it’s the people you are talking to that take the crazy pills on the regular.
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Thanks mate!
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Suddenly feeling blessed with my (arguably not too many) friends here, also in Germany, who are all center to left. All of them despise AfD and Trump.
But at least people are revealing their true face. 🤷
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But at least people are revealing their true face
Yeah, like during COVID. My Mom always says at least you know now who’s crazy an who’s not.
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There’s a video on I believe YouTube of jd Vance talking about east Palestine (where there was a train derailment and chemical spill that destroyed a town). You should watch it. He sounds like Bernie sanders in it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He’s smart, he’s competent, he’s got a handful of good ideas (broken clock right twice a day) but he’s also a fucking fascist. IIRC Hitler improved working conditions for the good Aryan Germans during his reign while doing horror to everyone else. That’s how they get their support and a whole lot of people will dismiss the crazy shit as not really happening.
The technofascists that are backing trump want to seek power legally just like Hitler and then … just like Hitler … turn the country into a dictatorship. And genocide the undesirables. Look up Curtis yarvin. Dudes a fucking creep of a philosopher that has the ear and backing of all the technofascists. They are out in the open with what they’re doing.
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I'm so glad that this is the overwhelming response in the comments. We must stick together.
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How anyone can think Trump is in it for anyone but himself after his first term is baffling. You only need moderate thinking skills to realize that, which I understand is an issue as well with education.
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God I'm so tired of this shit. I swear the intent is to downplay the danger that many of America's marginalized communities are in. That way trans people don't have anywhere to run. People with disabilities have no where to run. POC have no where to run. Most, if not all, of y'all have laws specifically forbidding refugees from the US. This is because the US has traditionally been considered a safe harbor for refugees. However, the US government is now sending immigrants to Guantanamo and threatening to do the same with trans people, people with disabilities, and so on.
We need your help. Not by stepping in and correcting course, but by giving us safe refuge. Most of us are already in very serious danger and sweating bullets while we watch the gun slowly move to point at us, but we have nowhere to run because no one accepts US refugees.
I'm trans. I'm living in Texas. I voted for Harris. I'm watching the gun as it attempts to murder my friends (I have some birthright citizenship friends) as it slowly drifts ever closer. We need your help, because right now I'm expecting that our expiration dates are less than a year away. They gotta find something to do with us once they start running out of space in Guantanamo c::
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Why are you looking at other countries when literally any state would be better than the shithole you're in? And even there I think you'll be perfectly fine in major cities.
But you're welcome to California. Not prefect, but not fucking Texas.
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Fuck me for wanting in on a discussion about how my own country is going to shit, right? I guess I'll go jump off a bridge or something
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Nah man, us Europeans are fucked as well. Fascists are gaining more and more traction here. We need interaction with you. We have to solve this shit together.
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As an American I think I'm going insane? The last 3 weeks have been some of the most anxious and stressed I've ever been.
Trump's first term was nothing like this, there's a feeling of apathy in the air among people and coworkers (I live in a very liberal city in the deep south). Folks around here just seem to be on edge at all times, whether you're pro or anti in a much more divisive way.
There's a strange feeling knowing there's a solid chance we won't make it out of this one. There have been plenty of times in the past where we've had doom and gloom (Trump v1, conservatives and Obama), etc. Nothing ever happens, but this time I'm fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone given the shear destruction being waged against our institutions.
I'm protesting and will continue to do what is needed to ensure 47 isn't the final chapter.
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It's because this isn't Trump's term. It's elons. And I know people say that to make fun of them, but it's also said because it's actually true.
Trump is incompetent. Useless. Corrupt. Elon has actual dedication, he's shit at it, but he actually tries. He's not lazy. But he's still corrupt
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Protesting is a good start, but I'd say the McMillan TAC-50 is a better choice at this point.
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Im normally against gun ownership, but these are not normal times, these are times to use that 2nd amendment in your constitution for what it was created.
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I knew this was the route America was going on since I was a kid. Walked the picket line with teachers during high school when they went on strike, and was appalled at how I was spit on and cursed at by conservative adults.
In 2015/2016, told everyone Bernie was our second chance after we whiffed on Al Gore, and then we again fucked that up.
The masses here are beyond stupid. Wish I had the means to bring my family elsewhere.
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Don’t know who needs to hear it, but here’s some advice that my philosophy professor left me with a long time ago:
Sometimes you can only save one person, and it’s okay for that person to be you.
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where tho?
like, where is accessible but also an improvement in this metric, because I see conservative assholes proliferating like a disease.
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Are you guys aware that the point is to show you, as a sign of camaraderie, that there are Americans who disagree with the current admin, rather than to try to get praise?
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I understand it's not as easy as a comment on The Internet but the American resistance needs to nut up and someone needs to put one between the eyes if everyone who architected or who is actively implementing Project 2025.
At this point the American military needs to stage a military coup and take back the country.
I don't think it will ever happen but wishful thinking.
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So many people are sitting on their hands going "Violence is never acceptable".
I think I ate a 3 day ban on one of the communities for making a joke about guillotining billionaires. Bunch of bootlicking cowards. I get not wanting to go and do some murder on your own, but come on.
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To be fair, considering the attempts on Trumps life so far I was quite surprised that people were taking matters into their own hands.
History will look kindly on them IMO.
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yes we totally understand how all this must feel for you. Even for people who voted for TFG didn't want this stuff to happen. These arseholes are actively dismantling your country from the inside. We're counting on you folks to do something.
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Dont let this post speak for all Canadians. I personally appreciate every single one of you american brothers who are against these fascist regime. We fucked them up in 1945 and we will do it again!
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Together as one!
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Its really hard to have sympathy for any americans because even "the left" seems to have done everything possible to enable fascism by repeatedly throwing the working class under the bus in favour of corporations.
You all had your chance with Bernie but you kicked him to the curb for a creature grown in a lab by credit card corporations.
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You're grouping us all together. I wish Bernie had been elected so bad... we even voted for him in my state, but the democratic party overrode that.
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You're making the same mistake as many Americans themselves do and confusing Democrats in general and the left. I didn't think leftists were the ones who kicked Bernie to the curb. The left in America is very small but they do protest, do mutual aid, and form unions. You could argue they aren't doing enough and when things get bad enough it's time for terrorism, but that's big talk when you are sitting behind a computer.
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I have a lot of sympathy. I feel awful for them. Unfortunately, it is the kind of sympathy I would feel for an enemy soldier that I think is maybe fighting against their will. I feel bad for them but there is no way I am putting my gun down while they are around. They are still the enemy and “they” are still trying to kill me. We are not going to be friends.
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Weird that we have more solidarity with the EU than Mexico.
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I'm Mexican and I'm baffled that Canada is trying to distance itself from us. I sincerely don't get why we're constantly being excluded.
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Its very frustrationg. We should be taking notes from you guys, not pushing you away.
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As a Canadian, I am confused by that also. Mexico would be a lot safer if the US had more stricter gun laws, and didn't smuggle them into Mexico.
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Are we? That's disappointing.
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Shared language and cultural background goes far. But it's definitely time we strengthen ties beyond that
Edit: why downvote for this? I suspect I misrepresented something
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We need all the help we can get. If some of the Americans are on my side, then I gladly accept their help. Hopefully they rise up before it's too late.
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You may be, but clearly more than half of you are not 🤷♂️
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Have you checked the voter turnout? Because I didn't but it's traditionally low in the US for different reasons. And this doesn't take into account people not allowed to vote. I don't live in a utopia either but the US is especially undemocratic by design
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Surprisingly this was one of the most active elections since 1900. Others being JFK and 2020.
Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout.
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Voters that chose to stay home are functionally the same as Trump supporters. They chose this.
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Trump didn't even get half of votes, much less half of the population. The vast majority of Americans aren't Trump supporters. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans don't vote.
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You do realize we’re going through a fascist coup right?
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Yes. And historically, what is the right response to a country that is doing that?
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Complaining to other countries? /s
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"What do you mean, I can't fix this by posting on social media? Stop oppressing me 😢😢😢"
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I posted it all over X, why isn't it working?!
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What is it you are suggesting exactly?
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Look at countries that have successfully enacted change when they are angry with their government: Serbia currently, France whenever pensions are threatened, the Maidan Revolution, the Arab Spring (for what that was worth). What do they all have in common? Hint: it isn't posting from the comfort of your couch.
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Protesting and organizing is a start instead of the defeatist "it won't do anything" or "but it annoys people." Proceeds to do nothing but annoy people online.
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Perhaps The things Americans should be doing are the things you shouldn't post publicly about doing.
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Here are some ideas:
- Do a risk assessment for your specific situation and relationships and work to reduce your risk
- Form stronger bonds with people in your community
- Read history and the mechanisms of similar situations
- Work to reduce fascists radicalization where you can (hint: probably not online)
- Stop enabling whiny "there's nothing we can do" bullshit
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I do see a lot of American replies saying “well I didn’t vote for this so it’s not my fault.”
Fault isn’t the issue for me. All Americans have a responsibility to course correct. The sooner it can be done in numbers the less risky it is for them to stand up and speak out.
I think the punchline of this meme is based in the reality I find myself in. The rest of the world is trying to figure out what life is going to be like when a former ally becomes ambivalent at best and an active adversary at worst. I really can’t be arsed to respond to every commenter who sucks the oxygen out of the room seeking absolution or exception to the anti-American sentiment.
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Realistically, what do you expect at this point in time?
Trump's in office since less than a month. There have already been larger protests. With 50501, there is a movement growing. Things will take time.
I'm in favor of showing more empathy to everyone who's personally affected and didn't vote for this, including people who got robbed of their opportunity to vote.
It's unreasonable to ask already marginalized groups now "why aren't you correcting this?". There is no quick way to correct this. It will be a long and drawn-out process, and maybe will also require the insight of Americans that lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech.
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Protests barely have effect. What we need is more government workers growing spines.
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lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech
A dangerous yet necessary concept
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I think what he is saying is they are still trying to figure out the impact on them and their response.
We let ourselves get put in this shit, we need to deal with it. I am starting to believe the idea that we have to put fear into the heart of fascism. We cannot equivocate protecting free speech with protecting hate speech, we have to judge and call people out on their bullshit, otherwise we end up here.
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Not their fault would get a silent thumbs-up from me. I'm not judging any individual American - the current vibe is angry, but I think most Canadians have known enough of them to know many are fine.
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They have a strong individualist consumer culture. If they can't individually consume their way out of it, many of them think they've done everything they can.
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We have a gun behind every blade of grass but we’ve been taught whitewashed history for generations so no one realizes they can fight back in ways that don’t involve pointlessly marching around with signs and getting pepper sprayed, tear gassed, shot at with rubber bullets and arrested.
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Well, I'm not looking forward to the German elections next week either. notallgermans fckafd
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I'm willing to consider California becoming the 11th province. We're gonna make these GAFAM pay for all these years of manipulation and rename the US to Naziland.
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See the responses to your post on !yurop@lemm.ee, I can't be bothered copying them here
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Imagine telling Jews in the Holocaust their opinions and thoughts don't matter because Hitler was elected.
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That's not what's happening. People weighing in on the political situation, airing their concerns, or trying to highlight issues that aren't being reported on aren't the ones being called out here. It's the "but I'm one of the good ones" comments that have been peppered into every discussion on non-US-centric communities.
Whether you're one of the good ones or not is immaterial. It's contributing nothing. It's just people trying to make the discussion about them.
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That’s our way of begging you to take us in if things get bad. Are you willing to or is your progressiveness and ability to take refugees conditional on where they come from?
Our electoral system has been rigged for decades. The only way forward is coordinated mass strikes and if that doesn’t work, violence.
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What is it you are saying those people should have done/should be doing?
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So there were no German Jews in the 1930s? You don't think they voted? Or are you saying since they weren't successful in defeating the NSDAPT in the elections they weren't good? Seems like you are being disingenuous and letting propaganda to support a narrative.
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Americans whining about wanting to leave the country and take refuge in Canada
for what, so you can squat here and continue to do nothing while your country becomes a Fascist and Imperialist Oligarchy?
No. Maybe we can talk after the Civil war starts when your country invades ours. But for now, this is your problem to deal with.
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Civil war starts when your country invades ours
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Ohhh, when the USA erupts in civil war AFTER they invade us. I initially thought that you were saying America invading us would be civil war
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I'm with Zellensky, the "interesting" thing will turn out to be, whether or not Mr. "no foreign wars" is going to put US boots on the ground in Ukraine to back it's complete surrender to Russia, and if Europe will start marching troops into Ukraine wearing "were not NATO" tshirts. And while the cartoon is funny, what's not funny is Canada spends 1.38% of it's GDP on defense, Europe on average spends ~ 2%, they've both enjoyed the post war defensive umbrella that the united states has provided and for the last 70 years, even after war reconstruction, they've decided to spend their GDP on yearly 5 week holidays for their workers, and "free" healthcare for their citizens. though a few european states are nuclear armed, in a ground fight, Europe and Canada could not pose a deterrent through production of arms, or standing armies of soldiers, in 10 years if they started yesterday.
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Yeah, as an American I want free healthcare, five weeks vacation and only a few % spending on defense and a lack of nukes outside of power plants.
You wanna know how we do that? By taxing the fucking rich or beheading them if they won’t comply. You don’t get to hundreds of millions of dollars or billions without exploiting and stealing from everyone else. Time to pay up or shut up for good.
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Hegseth, Musk and Vance have effectively declared NATO is dead as far as US is concerned. The only interest they have with europe is pilfering and looting your resources.
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