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A different thread: why only worker co-ops, and not also other sorts of co-ops?

I do wonder if, in order to encourage innovation, it's a good idea to allow non-coops in limited forms.

For example (and feel free to adjust these numbers), you can start a business and employ people but as soon as you pass €1 million revenue or 5 employees (whichever is first) then it has to become a co-op.

The existence of UBI, UBS and an economy that's majority co-ops should limit exploitation.

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@jlou Can you expand on number 3? Distributing resources and/or capital for investment is the part of economic democracy for which I've never quite seen a good solution.

I've read Schweickart, Dahl, Olin Wright and Hahnel and none of their proposed systems are that great IMHO.

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@MarvinFreeman @otfrom @ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars And also changing mode of transport twice! Changeovers suck and add time to your journey.

@MarvinFreeman @otfrom @ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars Regarding the money, that’s annoying because it should be solvable. For example Amsterdam has park n rides on its outskirts because they don’t want cars in the city. The P+R parking is far cheaper than parking in the city (literally 10x cheaper), so the cost of the tram is a non-issue.

@otfrom @ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars c’mon man, this is the wrong type of pedantry. Of course park and ride exists, and is sometimes a useful option for connecting people to public transport. But it is absolutely not the correct choice if it’s *in place of* being able to walk 15 mins or less to a bus stop, for anyone living in an urban area. Requiring everyone to drive 10 mins and then park to catch the bus every day is ridiculous urban design.

@ajsadauskas @urlyman @fuck_cars Why on earth would anyone answer ‘should not’ to a bus stop being within 15 mins? How are they thinking you get to the bus stop, by driving?!

Also, as a Dutchie, the amount of ‘should nots’ for a bar within 15 mins is killing me. I understand it, but it points to such a lack of imagination about what a city can look like. I have at least 20 bars within 15 mins walk of home and I’m not in the city centre 😄