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Not quite, b/c as you said that is also extremely unlikely as well. I meant more like something that is not immediately guaranteed to instantly turn into politics. Food, as you mentioned, could, and perhaps among certain people may even be likely to, but it is not guaranteed to (proof: a previous post here).

But most topics these days (caveat: centered around the USA, as in appropriate to make a post here about) feel like they would fairly quickly if not instantly turn political.

I don't think the Lemmy software can do anything about it, as it places too much emphasis on manual labor on behalf of the moderators to keep up.

PieFed has some really neat ideas though, on democratization of moderation where users can set software preferences, thereby taking a substantial burden off the shoulders of the mods.

e.g. instead of relying on mods to remove posts, keyword filtering allows individual users to reduce exposure to topics such as "Musk" or "Trump" or "USA". Or user icons are really cool - e.g. new user account with age <2 weeks, or highly contentious user with >10x more downvotes than upvotes, or potential unregistered bot account that posts >10x more often than they reply in comments. None of those cause "removal" of content except in the recipient's personal feed.

Probably it depends which corners you look at.

A tiny niche subreddit I would presume would be more civil than a politics community here.

It's also a lot easier to dox people IRL here. e.g. self-host something, get someone to click, and there you go.

And that's just the people who even read the rules in the first place - many people, sadly, do not (or perhaps do and simply do not care? well, there is no functional difference).

I disagree, bc "exactly zilch" is fairly extreme. It can do something, perhaps it would not be enough but it could have a measurable impact. How would we know if we do not try?

PieFed has a number of features designed to democratize moderation - e.g. keyword filtering (allowing users to filter All, None, and even just Some content, of e.g. Musk or Trump or USA) facilitates individual end-users to curate their experiences so that mods don't have to be as aggressive at removing things.

Another cool feature is the user icons - like a brand-new account on the Fediverse gets an icon next to their name, as too does someone who receives let's say >10x more downvotes than upvotes, or a potential unregistered bot account that posts 10x more often but never replies to comments. These icons don't remove content like a moderator would, just label it so you can choose to use that knowledge however you wish.

Another one is that people looking for a less controversial discussion environment can auto-hide or even auto-remove content from your feed - I have these turned off but if someone would be offended easily and want not to see things that are heavily downvoted, they have this option. Here it is the combination of the entire community and the end user deciding their personal tolerance threshold that decides what content appears in someone's feed. There are also options to use "community members only" votes, to help separate drive-by votes from people who have not joined the community and were just scrolling All, e.g. for polls and such.

Oh yeah, PieFed has polls. Also flairs - both user and post. And categories of communities that are user customizable and shareable. It has a ton of new features, both related and unrelated to community moderation. Check it out!

People want things without having to pay the costs for them. e.g. democracy without maintaining an educated citizenry, or a totalitarian regime that won't eat their faces off (only those "others", over there, never "us" - btw I see this extremely often on Lemmy lately, "people who voted for Trump bad, must be punished", as if "we" the "in-group" are blameless, it's all "their"/"other" fault).

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Yeah I worded it imprecisely - I was l looking for a topic that could potentially not involve politics, because lol you are absolutely right that there is nothing at all that is safe from political implications.

Afaik, that is not how "federation" works. It presents itself that way, so it is indeed tricky, but if you, from sh.itjust.works, having been invited to sh.itjust.works, want to post in a community on dubvee, then it is not the rules of sh.itjust.works that apply, but rather those of dubvee.

Damn that does sound unfriendly though - I can only hope that you got caught up incorrectly in a sweep, which I admit sounds rough but that is how the Beehaw & dubvee instances choose to work, and it is their choice to do however they please on their own machines, bought and paid for by them not us. Lemmy.ml similarly does as it pleases, as too does Hexbear.net, and lemmygrad.ml, and lemm.ee at least used to, and so on. It gets more difficult when piecing them together via federation though, especially when conflicts arise - e.g. between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.

I have long been an advocate for a FAR greater level of transparency about such things than currently exists. Like lemmy.ml simply says "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers" - as if that explains why they ban people from communities that they have never even so much as heard of, if they ever say anything remotely negative (or not positive enough?) about Russia, China, or North Korea? Beehaw, on the other hand, has an intricately detailed explanation of their policies - so them enacting such should not be a "surprise" to anyone posting or commenting in one of those communities.

However, the Lemmy software is set up to mostly ignore those kinds of messages (while PieFed does a fantastic job of placing them onto every single page - even an individual post has the community side-bar visible), so the burden falls to you to have to figure out all the myriad little fiefdoms and rules of what is or is not allowed on the various instances. Good luck! (or switch to PieFed I guess) But my point there is that it was not Admiral Patrick's fault for "having rules", though he did set himself up to fail by (like Beehaw) making rules that did not align with those used elsewhere in the Threadiverse.

After all these years...?

Well, then it sucks for them to have to find out this way, but I do not want to allow such hostages to change my own determined path forward.

That said, PieFed, but crucially not Lemmy, allows for TRUE blocking of all users from an instance. Lemmy has something that is called that but surprise surprise, allows users to DM you, reply to your messages, thereby generating notifications, vote on your content, etc., and so is the absolute weakest "block" I have ever heard of (I am trying politely to say that it is a sham, and is no "block" at all). On PieFed though, any user that individually wants to defederate from an instance can do so - which is a game-changer (enticing me to join PieFed.social long before it was fully ready, since that one feature alone made it worth my while, in comparison to e.g. leaving the Threadiverse entirely b/c I was just so very tired of all the BS that I kept having to put up with everywhere).

That... sounds really odd, like maybe a coincidence, or at best that fact alerting Admiral Patrick to the presence of someone who might have been a ban evader, and then subsequent looking into that account provides additional evidence.

But if someone really believes this - and has the evidence backing it up - then I invite them to submit a post to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com where we love to discuss such matters.

Like, if that were true, then that would seem to make Admiral Patrick a horrible person?

Calling that "might makes right" is fucking rich when we're talking about someone curating an entire instance's personal experiences

Actually I meant it in the sense of being hypocritical - as in some people seem to act as if Might Makes Right, but only when it benefits themselves, though switching to the exact opposite when that would suit them instead. So e.g. they cry out "unfair!" when someone does not follow the rules against them, but then do not play "fair" themselves against others.

And where does this "invite people in" come from? I can't show a screenshot or point to the official rules anymore since dubvee is down, but his instance was notorious for having a Beehaw-like experience, so why then were people surprised when he enacted precisely those rules that he said, and then, enforce? I genuinely do not know what you mean here, can you provide a reference for me to read? You might be referencing the same "politics" comm that people here are talking about, but which I have searched for and cannot find. If that community was on Lemmy.World though, then wouldn't it explicitly be against the rules to evade a ban? I am not doubting your sentence (that begins with "Inviting people in"), I am questioning its relevance here to the matter that we are discussing?

He admits his neurodivergencey as the source of his need to curate his personal experience. He may be much happier in the more narrow scope of Beehaw.

I did not realize that he was a mod on a politics comm - with his mindset I would think that he would want to steer well clear of such. Though he is hardly the only one who gets mad at people who are self-righteous - that describes most of us fo sho, me included:-P. I also side with him that people advocating for outright murder here on Lemmy for fairly innocuous behaviors such as "not voting for Kamala Harris" (not supporting her hard enough?) is a bit much for my tastes - besides which it is a violation of Lemmy.World rules (is that where the politics comm was located? I still see his user account, and the list of things that he mods, and I do not see a politics one there?), as well as Dubvee rules, so I can well understand his frustration when people upon being told no simply create an alt and continue unabated.

THAT, as I understand it, is the #1 reason why he left - because people were being so unfriendly in that manner (which I suppose as a mod & admin he saw much more of than we do as mere users?). i.e. it was not merely words in the form of comments or actions in the form of downvotes that drove him away - it was the creation of alts to get around bans, a problem that Reddit is also dealing with and much more of a concern here on the Threadiverse. Consent means nothing to some people, who behave as if Might makes Right, and since the rest of the Threadiverse was not alignment with his thoughts on that topic, he noped out of it. As is his right - his instance, his rules.

I would hope that he did not take it further to censor real, legitimate opinions that were offered respectfully. I have seen no evidence of that so far. The point that I am trying to make here though is that it is not so much "what" people were advocating for (as you spoke to) but rather "how" they were going about doing so (ignoring consent, specifically to the point of overriding prior bans) that ticked him off (or least that is how his message reads to me).

Say whatever you want, in your own home and on your own instance. But when he federates content from other instances that could actually get him thrown into an irl concentration camp if the ears in the walls find it on his servers... well, I can see why he shut it down.