Meta-comment: I made an edit significantly after submitting my other reply. Didn't want to bifurcate the discussion by putting its content in this comment, but don't know if you'd already read the other one. So this is just to let you know about the update in case you've already marked it as read.
I’m not sure if an email gets sent if the user registers with one.
It does not.
The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.
Pushing back on liberalism—and particularly its attack on the left—is, indeed, going to piss off a lot of liberals. Notice how in this conversation all I had to do was mention that I hope someone runs in the Green Party for ballot access, and that I will probably vote for them, in order for someone to go on the attack. Should I just start reporting that shit when it happens? Will you ban this moderator if I report them instead of clapping back? Is that how I get the authorities on this server to stop siding with the liberals for being liberal?
In terms of helping you, I'll also refer back to your own statement:
Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.
This, right here, looks an awful lot like tone policing to me, when there's a hell of a lot of actual content and argument I made above in response to a liberal being insulting when I said I will vote for someone other than a Democrat. Perhaps being an admin of a site like this isn't a great fit for folks who want to grease squeaky wheels and discipline anyone who disagrees with a moderator or with some of the general user base of a community.
Or, if that's too challenging a line to walk, IDK maybe Beehaw should just ban political discussion and go to straight cat pics and hobbies. That's unfortunately what a lot of families and professional environments come to when they can't handle matters getting heated over literal life-and-death issues.
EDIT: I forgot to address the "de-escalation" part. They escalated above. Then they actually escalated in the same comment where they decided to bail. That is the very comment where they claimed I am "trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms". Then they didn't even just check out, but threatened me as a moderator with "consequences". You seriously call that "de-escalating"? Is "de-escalation" to you just a cheap way to get the last word and tell someone that they are superficial and order them to shut the fuck up? (Taking notes as a moderator of /c/socialism myself, by the way. "What's good for the goose," I guess....)
No? I continued an exchange where that mod had already replied to me. (Didn't even realize they were a mod until they threatened me with "consequences" further on, by the way.)
Did you also miss the point that the mod was being just as insulting, from the start? I literally just pointed it out in the comment you replied to.
Did you miss where that moderator "assumed malicious negative intent" from me? Here, I'll help:
You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.
Did you miss where I did, indeed, try to educate them? Let me help: every comment I've made. You might, in particular, like the part where I started with:
For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history....
You banned me for 7 days (I guess—see below) for exactly the same kind of shit, and you're really bad at judging these situations. But it's good I have Big Brother admin stalking my comments to see if I follow the dictates of civility. Very cool.
EDIT: BTW, the only indication of being banned is that you can't login; it just silently fails, as if there's some kind of problem submitting the page. And then going to your own profile and seeing "banned" across the top. And no indication of whether it's temporary or permanent, and no message from the system about why. Just FYI for when you do it again.
Look, my take is that you are trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms
I mention direct action vs. you wanting to rely on electoralism and yet you claim I am the one "combating on philosophical terms". Ironic.
more likely to ending up with Republicans having power.
This is why you have voted for fascists and will continue to do so. You believe they are constrained to a single party, and that the other liberals aren't supporting them in nearly everything they do. Again, educate yourself. You referenced the 1930s, yet you clearly have not studied how fascism actually operated then. Or how it operates now.
We don’t seem to be seeing things eye-to-eye, and you don’t seem to be able to hold this conversation without ad hominem attacks, so I’m going to check out.
I see you don't know what an ad hominem attack is. Everything I've said here is related to the content of your arguments. Criticism of your ignorance and ideology and how they manifest in your comments is not ad hominem. Pointing out how you support fascism by the agenda you are pushing and the very way you've implied you vote isn't ad hominem. At least if you're going to threaten people for calling you out, have some understanding of the accusations you are making of them first.
You're right, that I haven't been respectful in the sense of civility politics. But that started with you, shitting on anyone (including myself) who doesn't vote for your favorite brand of the uni-party. My vote isn't a "protest vote", and yeah: fuck you for being disrespectful enough to call it that. Better start by banning yourself.
You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.
This is a pretty moronic statement. The choice of economic system is fundamental to if and how you prioritize people. The choice of capitalism is literally the choice to not prioritize people, but to prioritize property, and the interests of those who have power and will protect and hoard that property.
That’s my problem with voting for third parties in light of fascism echoing the 1920s and 30s.
You should honestly actually learn something about the rise of fascism in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history you are using to fearmonger. Other, less reactionary liberals were absolutely instrumental to giving the fascist liberals power in both places, as they have proven over and over and over and over again that they will always do. There was—and is—absolutely no electoral or even legal solution to the problem of fascism. Literally the only thing that could have—and should have—stopped the fascists was organized labor and an organized left taking violent, direct action against them (Hitler and Goebbels both even admitted this explicitly).
While you are busy attacking the left—exactly as fascists do—and protecting those liberals who are literally upholding fascism (which is already here and has been for a long time), some of us are promoting the only thing that will save us from it: organizing, taking actual action, building liberation movements, and using liberal electoralism for the only good thing it can accomplish for the working class: getting people's attention and broadcasting the messages that'll get them to wake up, toss it in the bin, and move on to doing shit that'll directly improve our lives.
Also, while you weren't looking, you literally voted for a fascist in the last presidential election. Gotta love the promoting and subjugating oneself to Mussolini to save oneself from Hitler galaxy-brained liberal strategy of self-preservation.
The Green Party hasn’t even succeeded in having a candidate elected to the U.S. House of Representatives
And?
they show up for presidential elections, and that’s about it. They don’t do much work in the “off-season.”
Incorrect. The GP has run candidates in thousands of city, county, and state elections. Heck, in the last California state primaries they ran a "unity slate" with the Peace and Freedom party and had candidates for like 2/3 or 3/4 of the positions on my ballot.
A vote for the presidential candidate of the Green Party at this point is a protest vote.
Stupid, liberal phrasing. Don't give a shit if this is what you call it, or how you've been told to think. The only wasted vote is one more voice for the continued monopoly of capital, and that's obviously exactly what you do every single election.
I don't give a fuck about "splitting the Dem vote". One reactionary mainstream party down is one reactionary mainstream party down. But yeah: this dweeb ain't it. If shitty, counter-factual beliefs about vaccines weren't enough, the political dynasty of his family should at least push people over the edge here.
Glad Cornel West is running, and hope he winds up with the Green nomination so he has a chance at decent ballot access. Unless the GP has an even better, more radical leftist in mind like Howie Hawkins again. He was the nominee of at least two leftist parties last time around, and I'd love to see those parties doing more of the same, like the "left unity slate" a couple of them did in California last year. Good stuff.
Actually yes. If my neighbor openly, to my face, celebrated the state murdering hundreds of thousands of people in war, I would absolutely challenge them on it just like above. And I have, in fact. I see you're more interested in civility politics than any kind of justice, so yeah: maybe it is time to fuck off and find some instance with people who have empathy and principles. Thanks for the "warning".
I love escalating war and feeding more working-class people to the meat grinder for the sake of capitalists and nationalism.
Uh huh. Your country, too, fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, I see.
So the lesser of two evils it is.
So...which of those evils does your government fund and arm, by chance?
deranged
Nice. And no: throwing out names doesn't erase the absolute fucking ignorance of political philosophy you displayed previously, sorry. The point out mentioning Chomsky and Zinn wasn't about "people with different viewpoints". It was literally about the U.S. constitution, the design of the modern system, and your assertion that people who recognize that it is working as intended are wacko conspiracy theorists. Yes, if you've really read those works, you should re-read them and actually pay attention this time.
Turns out that not all societies are (and were) as patriarchal as the modern ones imposed upon us by capitalism and colonialism are, too.
The field of "archaeology" seems to be better about illuminating such facts than the field of "history" is. But that could be anecdotal based on my exposure to archaeologists, historians, and their material.
Context is fun. What you did do is reply in a thread in which people are criticizing churches and their influence; a reply disparaging those statements and implying they aren't being respectful of people's spiritual/religious views. Dissertation unnecessary.
You don’t have to agree with someone’s spiritual or religious views, but you should respect them.
You should really learn to distinguish between spiritual/religious views and the organization of religion into hierarchical organizations of churches though, TBH. And the indoctrination of people into those hierarchies both through coercive family relations (e.g. parent/child) and by systems like colonization and the genocidal missionary work that goes along with it. People are generally right that these hierarchies are destructive to society, whether or not we respect people's personal beliefs.
No Gods, No Masters!
Nice. Fuck off, homophobes!
There is no reasonable rational analysis where Joe Biden is a fascist
Oh yes, there most definitely is. He has enacted far more fascist policy in his career of politics than Trump has or ever could. Mass incarceration—including concentration camps—the "War On Drugs", union busting and strikebreaking, mass surveillance (e.g. the Patriot Act, which he happily takes credit for), militarization of the police, attacks on journalism and whistleblowers, etc. Biden is most definitely fascist. It's pretty fucking gross of you to practice such denial and apologia, TBH. Putting a donkey and some nice old grampa speeches in front of the policy doesn't change the policy.
He’s a neoliberal
Yes. That too. As is Trump, by the way. Did you not notice how they share plans to privatize social programs like Social Security? Man, if I had a nickel for everyone who believes that a politician subscribing to neoliberal ideology means they can't also subscribe to fascist ideology. Whew! The two liberal (yes, liberal) tendencies are completely complementary, and a ton of neoliberal economics—such as privatization—came straight out of Nazi Germany, as practiced directly by fascists in a fascist government. One manages the policy related to economics and so-called "soft power". The other manages the more direct violence, control, spying, and abuse by the state.
Politics has been an exercise in finding compromise
False. Compromise is simply a tactic. Politics is literally about building and exercising power, and using it to secure and enhance the authority which grants it. "Politics is about compromise" is liberal propaganda that has very little to do with reality. When power relations don't dictate that compromise is necessary, none is used.
We definitely don’t have an amazing system of politics. But “this is by design” is literally untrue unless you believe in some weird conspiracy thing. The US constitution is mega old, most of it’s failures are related to that, imo.
Again, this is completely incorrect. The U.S. constitution is a reactionary document that was literally designed to curtail democracy. There's no conspiracy necessary. "Conspiracy" implies secrecy. The so-called "Founding Fathers" literally documented that that was exactly what they were doing, and what they intended. And those in power regularly admit it as well. All you have to do is look at what they say (quite openly!) when the intended audience isn't the working class. They have their PR guys and the mainstream media to put it into much nicer sounding words when you and I are expected to be paying attention. You should really read more literature by people like Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. When those in power admit what they're doing, and when it very much matches their interests to do it (i.e. preserve their power while ensuring you have none), you should probably believe them.
Nah. We just have the "choice" between different flavors of fascist in the U.S. There's no (mainstream) non-fascist choice.
Sympathy from the U.S., where we'll be told to pick between two fascists once again.
I think the world's nation-states are widely adopting the "lesser-evil" faux-choice strategy these days, right along with the mass spread of neoliberalism and the all-too-ubiquitous open adoption of its bed-buddy fascism. This is by design. Politicians are waking up to the fact that we aren't rebelling (effectively) even as they drop the pretense of democracy. The state has enough power over us at this point that it can get away with just about anything it likes.