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OMFG dude, I know how words are added to the dictionary. I was a English Lit major and a writing tutor. I understand that lexicongraphers believe that their job is simply recording uses, and not creating meanings.
Well, sorry for explaining something you already knew. Legitimately my only point I was trying to argue was one I guess you already understood. Uptil this point I wasn’t positive you understood that simple concept. I say this because you appeared to tout certain definitions as incorrect, not because they were in a dictionary but because they weren’t in one particular dictionary. I thought that was super strange because dictionaries don’t drive language and dictionaries aren’t hierarchal in nature - it’s not like the gram or some other standard.
I also know that there's an inherent contradiction in that, since they are also creating a repository that others will use to find the meaning of words, so they're creating and influencing that meaning for everyone who uses that repository.
I guess I disagree on the inflencing bit, except for folks who go around the internet saying it’s “incorrect” to use language in a way that the the public uses it. It was incorrect, it’s now correct, and I wouldn’t say that’s the dictionary’s doing but the people’s doing. I imagine many lexicongraphers had a difficult time resigning to the fact that the needed to update the defintion of “literally”.
But that’s something I guess you may not have gotten from this conversation - I don’t really care about the correctness of the words. if u cn undrstnd me tht gud enuf. I mean, I promise not to write like that often but I also really don’t care to define “what is correct” outside of “how the public uses it”.
Again, the first thing you said to me was that it was OK to use, "literally," as, "figuratively," because it's in the dictionary. You yourself allowed the dictionary authors to change your usage of that word.
- I didn’t start using the word “literally” just because the dictionary said it was OK. I don’t really care what the dictionary says so long as I can get my points across to other humans comprende? I’ve literally been listening to my peers and finding out that when they “literally died” they were probably being hyperbolic as they were still speaking to me. I guess it would make sense that I could pushback on that but given that I learned the word as a flexibile definition, I never saw a problem with it. I mean, logically there’s an issue (literally hard to determined what actually happened, unless of course we talk about what actually happened - until actually is changed to mean “maybe didn’t” of course).
- I’m fine with dictionary authors changing the definitions of words, since that’s what they do when language changes.
I never said slang terms shouldn't be in the dictionary, just that every slang usage doesn't have to be recorded in every dictionary.
And it’s not, no cap. fr. it’s redonkulously incomplete with wicked vernacular, brah.
Sorry Oxford didn't have your use of, "Pop," in it, but it's actually kind of understandable that a British dictionary didn't bother to add the Midwestern-American slang for a word that already had 21 entries.
I don’t really care, but it sounded like you were touting the Oxford dictionary as correct where the merriam webster dictionary was incorrect. That was my issue really. It sounded like a weird elitism that I at least wanted to understand, if not explain the insignificance of.
But yeah, if you grasp that concept, there’s nothing for me to argue.
Quick and simple explaination: “I'm just not reading an essay on why you should believe people with no evidence” you said regarding a short comment (sorry, reading is hard innit?) basically where I said “believe the women in your life”. You’re saying “why believe [my girlfriend, my wife, my mother, my friends, etc] when they come to me [someone they trust] and say they’ve been raped”, and that’s why you’re unfuckable. Women don’t want a guy who’s going to call into question something they wouldn’t lie about. Get real, man.
I knew you wouldn’t. There’s a reason you’re unfuckable.
I think the thing you might be missing here is that I’m not sharing my opinions, I’m just stating fact. The purpose of the dictionary is to reflect the language humans use, not (as you believe) to be the authority on what words are correct or not.
I’ll give you an unbaised example: https://www.google.com/search?q=how+are+words+decided+to+be+placed+in+a+dictionary
Go ahead and select any of those links. Go to multiple pages if you like, skip over the merriam webster and dictionary.com entries if you wish. You’ll find one thing in common:
we add a word to the dictionary when we observe a lot of people using it in the same way
Lexicographers (dictionary editors) are always on the lookout for new words to add to the dictionary
Lexicographers research how words are used, taking examples from multiple sources
How do words get added to the dictionary? The answer is simple: The word gets used.
A word gets into a dictionary when it is used by many people who all agree that it means the same thing.
Lexicographers get to decide which words make it into the dictionary, and they do so by reading widely across industries and disciplines.
So rather than erase the work of lexicographers, let’s acknowledge the work they do that goes into building a dictionary.
Oxford also uses slang
But pretty poorly. Where I live, fizzy sugary drinks, known in some places as “soda” or “sodapop” is just called “pop”. This is what everyone calls it, as sort of a regional dialect. And yet, this definition is lacking for Oxford (but Kleenex, a brand name product exists?) https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=pop
Since people will also look backwards in history, it’s helpful to know what words were popular then, too. In fact, in the oxford dictionary there are some very old definitions that are no longer used in everyday language. “Bootylicious” and “on fleek” have their places in the dictionary as well. What doesn’t have its place are the made up words I just now created in my head and only plan on telling a few people.
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We must reject the 2 party system.
You and what army? Since you’ll need a population larger than the army to make any difference here. The 2 parties have a lot of power, you see. You can opt out of the whole thing but that doesn’t really do anything unless you have a large enough group of people voting for the same exact third party voter.
No one here likes the 2 party system, but most of us realize that until we have a real uprising or groundswell support for someone who can win >50% of the vote, opting out of voting means throwing your right to actually making change in this country away - embracing slactivism.
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TIL Joe Biden controls the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Here’s the thing: statistically speaking, you know a survivor of sexual assualt or rape. Statistically speaking, that person is a woman, or women in your life. All I ask anyone in this thread is that if and when they come to you and tell you that they’ve been sexually assaulted, that you believe them. Even if that person is a man, maybe especially so, believe him.
This isn’t about “women should be blindly believed” - how could anyone think that, this person went to jail, went to court first, had a trial, etc. This wasn’t a woman “blindly believed” and then put in jail. This was an innocent black man who was jailed, and that’s a bit more common. Despite what the content you consume might tell you, we aren’t living in a society where women are “blindly believed” for fucking anything, my guy. It’s understandable not to believe someone you don’t know, which is why I’m just asking you to do it for the people you do know. This shouldn’t be a difficult ask.
Just to be absolutely clear because it seems like I need to - false accusations, false imprisonment for crimes, including rape does happen. However, at least in the case of rape and sexual assualt, far more women are raped without ever telling anyone (as they are either in unsafe situations they can’t escape and/or have been told they will be killed if anyone finds out), far more women go through a rape kit examination but those kits sit unprocessed, far more women go to trial only to find their rapist (as in, the guy who actually raped them) go free, than do men go to jail for being falsely convicted of rape.
If you can, consider reading this thread from the viewpoint of someone who’s been raped, but who (for reasons mentioned above) never saw their rapist go to trial or never be convicted; who may have lost their job because their rapist was their coworker and now no one feels comfortable working with her because “he was such a nice guy he couldn’t have done this she must’ve just had a bad date or something”, etc.. Statistically speaking, survivors of sexual assault have already done this. Read through this thread, full of men displaying their scrutiny for women who women who say they were survivors of sexual assault.
I don’t know the details of this case. Maybe this woman was still raped, and maybe this was mistaken identity. There’s very little incentive for a person to go after an innocent person for sexual assault. There’s very little incentive for a person to lie about being raped. This isn’t some sort of “weird trick” that “men hate” that lets women jail any guy who crosses them. I’m not advocating for any gender discrimination when it comes to sentencing. Before all that, for the women in your life who have been survivors of sexual assault, I just ask, please, for them.. believe them.
It relates to what I’m saying about language and dictionaries. I’ve mentioned this before but maybe not to you - dictionaries aren’t an authority on language, unless you’re playing a board game like scrabble. What was incorrect years ago (e.g., using the word “literally” to mean “figuratively”) is now correct in the dictionary, because the people using the language have evolved the language.
no cap.
And that’s the thing about slang, it will eventually become part of language enough that it will be added to dictionaries. Dictionaries not keeping up with this aren’t doing their job and they’ll fall out of fashion. To my knowledge, all major dictionaries do this (follow language used in society and define what it means in the dictionary).
The “no cap” example is one that relates to what i’m trying to say about dictionaries. Sadly, I can’t find a good definition of “cap” in the context of “cap / no cap” so the dictionaries need to catch up to this, and that’s a problem, because we otherwise don’t know what these words mean. From my understanding, cap means “to lie” as in to not tell a truth, so “no cap” would mean “no lie” and “no cap?” would mean “you’re not lying right?”. Urban dictionary, for all the shit it gets, does a pretty good job of keeping up with this. Websters is probably the best real dictionary that’s going to be likely to have useful defintions of words.
From what I hear, it sounds like oxford is going to stagnate, likely not adding new words very often, even as new words are made. If I want to get information on current events, I’m not going to haul out encyclopedia britanica, I’m going to start with wikipedia and go from there. Etc..
Now, perhaps Oxford will be always representitive to the queen’s / king’s english, but since no one (at least in america) speaks that, I doubt it will have much relevance unless they get with the times.
Well, what does the dictionary say? isn’t that the purpose of it? (to find meaning in modern language)
The purpose of dictionaries is to reflect how the public uses a word. It would be correct of a dictionary to include this definition because it’s literally how the public uses the word literally. It must be frustrating when a definition changes, but it’s not like the dictionary has any actual authority outside of scrabble.
Literally now means figuratively as well, according to dictionaries. It’s literally insane.
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Republicans: These one year olds need to learn to live with the choices they make!