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This is specifically in reference to Deltans.

As per TMP:

ILIA: My oath of celibacy is on record Captain. May I assume my duties?

I once addressed this question about Turkana IV on r/DaystromInstitute:

So do we have a reasonable explanation for why the Federation didn't intervene in the years leading up to Turkana IV breaking off? The time frame, coincidentally, points us to why the Federation might have been devoting resources elsewhere and therefore didn't pay attention until it was too late.

The late 2340s saw the start of the Cardassian Wars. Exactly when the Setlik III massacre took place is a matter of debate. Most date it to 2347 because of a line in TNG: "Realm of Fear" (2369) where O'Brien tells Barclay he's been a transporter operator for 22 years (he was a Tactical Officer during Setlik), but there's contradictory evidence from other episodes in DS9. We can discuss that another time.

But if Setlik III did take place in 2347, then by that time the Federation was embroiled in a war with Cardassia which lasted, in various iterations, until the early 2360s (POWs were released in 2362, DS9: "Tribunal").

It might not be a stretch to think that a colony world like Turkana IV slipped under the Federation's radar until it was too late. I get the impression that most colonies aren't directly governed by the Federation. They're given autonomy up to a point, and if they want to break off, then it's their right to do so.

So criminal gangs or not, there was a war going on and the Federation let it go. Not necessarily its finest hour, but I can see it happening.

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But that still doesn't mean DIS is in an alternate reality.

Not any more than it's fair to assume that, by showing the Barge of the Dead, or the Miranda-class, or the Oberth-class, or the Galaxy-class, or the proto-Klingons, that VOY: "Barge of the Dead", ST II, ST III, TNG or TNG: "Genesis" took place in a reality with different class ships or people.

The Mirror Universe question is a separate one, to which there really is no good answer because we've only seen crossovers from the Prime Universe to its Mirror Universe counterpart. A bigger question is whether or not the Mirror Universe we saw in PRO: "Broken Mirror" is the same Mirror Universe we see in DS9 because there the Terran Empire seems to exist again.

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Thank you for noticing the typo!

Yes, the XCV-330 was an early Matt Jeffries concept for the Enterprise back in 1964. That’s why it turned up in TMP as a painting.

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Adding those, thanks.

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I heard Trek Central suggest this, but I'm not so sure.

If we're looking at a Prime Directive violation, we're looking at the interference with the social development part, or on a more granular level, interfering with the internal affairs of a civilization.

Sure, Bragh was a high ranking Klingon being part of the Oversight Council, but the death of Bragh was between Ma'ah and Bragh. Boims and Mariner participated in the Rite of J'ethurgh, but that wasn't interfering in Klingon affairs, no more than Picard participating as Worf's cha'DIch was. Technically, Ma'ah accepted them as part of his quv beq, so they were invited in.

And at the end, as far as Boims and Mariner is concerned, the Rite was over and completed - Bragh being a sore loser and the subsequent fight had nothing to do with them and they didn't participate in it - only witnessed it. Nor was the fight a foreseeable consequence of Mariner trying to get Ma'ah reinstated so she could get a Klingon Captain to assist in her mission, and especially not Bragh's death, which was only because he literally stabbed Ma'ah in the back after yielding (by granting Ma'ah his captaincy back).

So I really don't see the problem here. At worst they were bystanders to the death.

Good catch!

Thanks! Adding some.

Oops. Will correct.

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Thanks. Adding some of these.