Russian lawmakers pass bill outlawing gender reassignment
Bill decried by Russia’s transgender community will now head to the upper chamber before being signed by Putin.
The bill bans any “medical interventions aimed at changing the sex of a person,” as well as changing one’s gender in official documents and public records.
I was not talking about reasons for starting the war but merely the hypothetical outcomes of one or both sides being left in ruin. It's clearly better that Russia not be left in ruin even if we concede that Putin should not have invaded (which I think is too much of a catch-22 to say so casually, but whatever).
It would probably be better if neither Russia or Ukraine were left in ruin. .. nato has a significantly longer arm since vlad invaded. There is no catch 22 if your argument is anti nato expansion. Sweden and Finland were obvious fine with staying out of nato. Ukraine was decades away from joining and Russia could prolong that as long as they continued to dispute... I don't know say some territories onthe Ukraine/Russia border..
There was 100 ways to have a buffer state that including territories Russia had support in. That would have not resulted in a full out war... or nato expansion. Bombing cities on Poland's border is bagging for nato expansion and action.
If putin invading had anything to do with nato expansion he is the dumbest person on the planet.
So there should have just been civil war in Ukraine forever or until the resistance in Donbas was flattened and the Banderites had every means to commit genocide on ethnic minority dissidents? Are we saying that this is the longterm strategy for Russia to have a buffer state, the complete destruction of its sympathizers in eastern Ukraine?
No, Russia could have rolled his tanks into territories he actually has support in and no one would have done shit. You going to argue against that ?
He is the one that decided to bomb the entire country. Like I can't express how stupid you would have to be to not expect nato to respond.
Now he is in a unwinnable war vs an actual army that has nato backing. He's stuck.. because now America's military industrial complex is in full force with bipartisan support.
Explain how that's bad for nato... that is their whole bit... Ukrainians and Russian will keep killing each other because of putins dogshit leadership and the west will make sure they continue to export death. Because their leadership is owned by the people that manufacture machines of death.
No, Russia could have rolled his tanks into territories he actually has support in and no one would have done shit. You going to argue against that ?
Yes? Technically I believe that is what they actually did at first (preceding the full invasion by just one to three days, I forget the exact timeline). Ukraine was already fervently bombing Donbas and the action would already be billed as an invasion. Sitting on the land would not prevent Ukrainian artillery bombardments from continuing to escalate. Yes, it's not as escalated a response, but it's also one that has no end in sight. Invading all of Ukraine has an end in sight, that being to either break the back of the Ukrainian military so they are not capable of carrying out those bombardments or else to force Ukraine to finally stop in exchange for Russia withdrawing. Whether that will succeed or not is its own question that I am not fit to answer, but it seems to me to be a much more coherent plan than "send your troops to Donbas to just die for the foreseeable future". "But more troops are dying now" Yes! They are! But it makes more sense of the level of them carrying out an operation that has a definite set of goals instead of just acting as sitting ducks getting slaughtered forever like you bizarrely propose.
They were literally bombing Kiev like a minute after putin said he was going to denazificate Ukraine. Lol
Puttin honestly thought he would take the capital with special forces.. who obviously ate shit.
Then they surround Kiev and at even more shit for months till they had to pull back.
Ya they killed a lot of Ukrainians but don't get it twisted Russia ate enough shit to move the goal posts over and over again.
sitting ducks getting slaughtered forever like you bizarrely propose.
I literally recommended Russia send tanks/ military to them in my post... more like you bizarrely made up . Lol
Maybe instead of having 200k troops spread out like dogshit, eating shit was not the best tactics. Maybe ... idk having them in the donbas would have been better... for you know protecting the people your so worried about.
I literally recommended Russia send tanks/ military to them in my post... more like you bizarrely made up . Lol
They get sent in and do what? Ukraine heavily relied on firing at them from a far distance (via artillery and a few snipers). Does the Russian military fire back? Then they have attacked Ukraine outside of Donbas on top of "invading" Ukraine generally by just being in Donbas!
They sure as fuck were not firing from kiev or lviv. That much I know.
I never said there would be no conflict. My point is if Vlads actual goal had anything to do Russians in donbas and nato expansion his actions do not show that. He thought he would roll ukraine before nato could reinforce them.
His focus was clearly the capital at the start. He then moved to mariupol... where he accomplished flattening the city while ironicly turning fucking nazis into martyrs.
I am done arguing. Vlad tried imperialism and ate shit. It's really that simple. Now nato is bigger and will probably be more aggressive then ever. The Ukrainian/Russia border will be a war zone for years. The American war machines chugs on. Good job, vlad.
Oh and all westerners get to pay for it.
I can forgive a person for thinking what you wrote is true, because it's what gets force-fed to everyone in the west by their bourgeois media and with immediate silencing of even the most mild dissent. But comrade, you need to educate yourself with some non-western sources as you have drunk deep from the NAFO koolaid cup. None of your comment is based in reality.
Lol go on point out where I am wrong.
putin should have sent 200k troops to the Donbas - Me
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Lol go on point out where I am wrong.
I would pretty much just be copy-pasting everything you've said so far on the topic and then have to type up a paragraph per sentence and I'm not interested in doing that, but I'll try to respond to just a couple things since you asked. Like the fact that you think Russia has been "eating shit" without any understanding of what attrition warfare is, or how Russia has had the upper hand through almost the entirety of the conflict and does even more so now after a completely failed joke of a counteroffensive. The fact you think NATO is stronger now even though its member states are now shown to be constantly bickering, paper tiger liars to the global south, are coming apart at the seams as an empire, and most of their members have lost the ability to wage war because they've depleted their respective military's equipment, plus totally undermined their productive ability to replenish it, and this isn't even getting into the boomerang effect their sanctions have had in wreaking havoc on their own economies while strengthening Russia's.
Let's see, this statement is part of why I responded in the first place:
My point is if Vlads actual goal had anything to do Russians in donbas and nato expansion his actions do not show that.
?? That's just nonsensical on its face. Russia stepping into an already 8-year old civil war in the Donbas shows that their goal had nothing to do with the Donbas?
Since you seem specifically hung up on the first couple weeks of the conflict and Russia's attack on Kiev and other cities not in east/south Ukraine (the 200k part of your comment)... You have heard of a feint, right? Do you know anything about the history of the USSR and how they used that concept, also to fight Nazis? You understand that the military of a country will have warehouses with supplies and munitions in places that aren't on the front? And that there will be logistic networks to move equipment and personnel around a very large country? As has been said elsewhere, why would one military attack another and only hit the things on the front and ignore the reinforcements behind it? Also stuff like how Russia "flattened" Mariupol. They have been doing great work rebuilding that city after ousting the Nazis who were trying to do a little ethnic cleansing there. Russia has been remarkably restrained in not damaging infrastructure or causing civilian casualties, but this is one of the many things you will think the opposite is true if you believe CNN, BBC, etc.
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Yes? Everything you've said has been western liberal media talking points.
@GarbageShoot@hexbear.net and @Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net were pointing out some of this, but it's like a Gish Gallop of bad takes and US propaganda, trying to respond to everything you're saying. I'm not going to reply any more partly because I have to go to bed.but also because I'm tired of trying to argue with people unwilling to learn. I'm not sure if that's the case with you, but your "lol, go on then" reply to my innocuous comment doesn't fill me with hope. If you do actually want to learn something, and curing yourself of some imperialist brainworms (which should be an ongoing project for any leftist) then I would strongly suggest bringing these things up in the news megathread. There are people there who are much more knowledgeable and have been closely following the conflict from the start, including all the ways western media has been spinning it that you clearly have taken to be true.
This is CNN-MSNBC thought. Contrary to popular belief among various liberals I know, Putin did not suddenly decide to conquer Ukraine in order to reestablish some unknown period of the Russian Empire. However, there has been an ongoing century plus effort to limit the autonomy of Russian people and to make their workers and resources available to the richest people in the west. All of western politics for the past century has been premised on furthering this goal. Provoking this conflict by rapidly escalating a genocide right on the Russian border is part of that project.
I think you should listen to people like Andrei Martyanov who can explain a lot of things that will clear your mind about who is winning and who is losing. And what strategy is.