Lemmy.World/Worldnews is ran by Zionist mods who make up lies to ban users critical of israel.
Lemmy.World/Worldnews is ran by Zionist mods who make up lies to ban users critical of israel.
FlyingSquid is a Zionist who actively censors content critical of israel. In the past this was using false claims of anti-semitism but after acquiring mod powers he has started banning anti-israel posters.
After acuiquiring mod powers on /WorldNews FlyingSquid bans me by making up lies about defending the usage of child soldiers which never happened:
Recently he tried to defend himself by lying about it
After being called out for lying FlyingSquid pretends to act in good faith for a little as if he was just confused that day. Let's see what happens when we play along:
When pointed out the he was lying the crybully instantly paints himself as the victim who is "about to be insulted". FlyingSquid is clearly trying to bait an insult to use as an excuse for a reban:
Despite not being insulted, the crybully still claims he was. The Zionist victim complex is a sight to behold. He now demands to be acknowledged for his abuse of mod powers likely hoping to bait an insult:
After failing to ragebait insults the Zionist crybully "changes is his mind" and starts tacking on random extra conditions as an excuse to reban me. He now starts demanding acknowledgement for how amazing he is for falsely banning people.
At this point it is very obvious FlyingSquid has no intentions to unban me from WorldNews and is just trolling:
Subsequently he lies one more time in his ban description.
Edit: JordanLund has joined in and claimed that if you support any action of a group or individual, you fully support every action that group or invidividual has ever committed. Meaning that anyone who supports Joe Biden forgiving Student Loans actually supports the Genocide in Gaza and is a Zionist.
You're viewing a single thread.
JordanLund has responded by defending FlyingZionist in the deleted threat on lem.ee claiming that defending any single action means endorsing every aspect of a group.
JordanLund has repeatedly defended voting for Joe Biden which means that by his logic he fully supports the Genocide in Gaza and he is a Zionist.
JordanLund has repeatedly defended voting for Joe Biden which means that by his logic he fully supports the Genocide
This fucking lie right here should you get permabanned alone and I hope it does. Lying that everyone you disagree with supports genocide makes you a completely unreliable and unserious person and that's why you get all the hate you do.
This exact shit is why I can't take Linkerbaan seriously. Anybody who remotely disagrees with them is immediately branded an evil Zionist genocide defender. Even if they agree with their other points. Keep up the good work calling them out whenever they do shit like this.
It's actually under active discussion right now. We're waiting for more mods to wake up and see our sidebar. Both Squid and I have recused ourselves so if the banhammer does come down, it will be from uninvolved mods.
I take it that it was decided to not only not permaban him from the instance, but to reverse the ban from the world news community?
I understand rules cannot be perfect but I really despise that someone can be allowed to knowingly lie like he does. He shuts down all useful conversation immediately with an accusation he is wholly unconcerned with the truth of.
I would like to think the "you support genocide" line being said over and over would mean that if it were my instance, I would nuke his account from orbit. Nothing could be less "civil". Naughty words shouldn't be the main basis of judging civility. I get that it's hard to mod, but also Linkerbaan has gone pretty far to show us that he has practically no good faith in any discussion.
TBH, I'm not sure. I checked out for some personal stuff last night. Not sure where it stands now.
I see. Today, he's started a renewed line of attacks on Democrats. Latest of which involves the lie that Trump and Biden/Harris are now aligned on Israel.
Now the cat is out of the bag, I am the one who put it to a vote. I came in to this thread to see if I could get Linkerbaan to at least apologize for actions/words, but they are more interested in "winning" the argument.
Right now, it's not looking good, but we need quite a few more people to vote to know for sure.
I hope they do the right thing. This person is deranged.
It's the problem of the self radicalized single issue voter. It can happen on the left as easily as on the right. The problem is we really don't have any effective ways of piercing such radicalization.
Honestly outside of screaming that everyone that disagrees with them is a Zionist. Or the houthi thing. I don't strictly disagree with much of what they post. And nobody likes the tone police. But it's simply a fact that at some point any of us can become a bigger liability to our cause than an asset. Passion is great. But passion without logic or rationality will always be a liability.
That"s the thing that kills me too, if Linkerbaan and I were to sit down and talk over dinner, I'm sure we'd find we agree on more things than we disagree on. It's just those few things are like nitro glycerin for him.
Linkerbaan is just constantly trolling instead of participating. There are plenty of people on .world who are able to express how the situation is despicable without the same deliberate bad faith.
Yes I have to give it to the mods they've been handling this well. Linkerbaan would like for the mods to lash out at them etc. In some way to justify their tantrum. I was there for the thread yesterday that linkerbaan started this with.
Flying squid was calm and mature throughout the whole thing. Linkerbaan acting like a teenage edgelord drama queen the whole time.
Yeah, probably 80% of their posts are good information that should be spread. But the posts and constant comments about how everyone who disputes anything they say "loves genocide" or "supports genocide" show that they aren't really in touch with reality, and their frequent calls to not vote for democrats, blind to how much worse trump was/would be, makes me want them gone from my feed.
They are doing damage. Literally acting against Palestine's interest, convinced that they are helping (I assume they really believe so anyhow) and should continue being terminally online, posting and commenting every waking hour of every day. If nothing else this dude has a deep rooted obsession, even if they weren't accusing 90% of the world of "loving genocide".
I 100% agree and have told them as much to their face several times. They're doing more harm than good. Unfortunately that just gets them screaming more, often. And this one may be the worst. But they're not alone by a long shot.
The worst of it is whether their intentions are good or bad. They are using this presidential election cycle and the candidates as a shooting range for their grievances. Rather than dealing with the congress. And getting Congress people elected that would actually make things better. My State lost a pro Palestine Congress person recently. New York did as well. And part of it is a lot of the propaganda but also the tone around the people pushing back against the propaganda. When you lash out at allies or potential allies when they give you slight pushback. You're definitely doing it wrong.
Are you saying Jordan has never defended voting for Biden?
I have defended voting for Biden, because the only viable alternative is Trump who wants Israel to exterminate everyone quicker.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
Now Harris is the only viable alternative. If Trump takes office again he will give Israel free reign to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
And before you answer - NO - that is not current Biden policy.
Biden believes, sincerely, that Israel has the right to defend itself, same as any other country, and is supplying them with arms for that defense.
The problem is Israel, specifically Bibi, is misappropriating that aid and Biden is not calling him out on it publicly.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your big beef with Biden is that he did say:
"I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist."
But you have to remember, the man is 81 years old. To him, Zionism doesn't have the negative connotations that it does for you and me. He means it simply as "Israel has a right to exist and a right to defend itself." Which is echoed in all his public statements.
You are not understanding the argument.
FlyingSquid banned me under the false pretense that supporting any action means you support every action of a group.
Supporting this ban means you agree with this logic.
Thus following your logic: if you support Biden you fully support every action, statement and Genocide he is complicit in.
This is your own logic talking here not me.
Biden is NOT complicit in any genocide. Full stop. Never has been.
Biden is certainly complicit in this genocide. While finally putting a ceasefire through the UN Security Council, the US repeatedly veto'd previous ceasefire proposals. For the last ten months the US has regularly supplied Israel with Military Aid and Weapons, knowing full well that they will be used in Gaza. Biden has signed off on all of this. He personally considers himself a Zionist, and has been for a long time. Ethnic Cleansing or Transfer of native Palestinian people, is central to Zionism. Seen repeatedly in the West Bank and previous wars on Gaza. Biden has not pressured Israel to accept the ceasefire, regardless of how many war crimes they regularly commit.
None of that means vote Trump, Trump's support for Israel will always be way stronger than Biden's. He would certainly accelerate the genocide. I was still an advocate for Biden, and now Harris, for all the other reasons why their Democratic administration would be magnitudes better on most domestic and foreign policy. Showing support for them and also to the anti-genocide protestors aren't antithetical either. Harris has a great opportunity to move to the left on Israel and gain huge support in critical States for the election.
Maybe you could try to get all of this through to the incorrigible Linkerbaan?
This is his thread, hopefully he reads it and agrees.
The two-party system in the US has always been terrible. FPTP makes us focus on voting against the opposition instead of voting for what best represents our interest like a Ranked Voting system. During elections are one of the few times where public pressure can push our representatives toward policies that reflect the will of their constituents. The sentiment that demanding more from your representatives is tantamount to voting for the opposition, is a reactionary position. Americans aren't used to even Democrats changing their policies in response to public pressure. The overt fascism of the Republican party during this election cycle has galvanized the Democratic party to be more representative, and hopefully that continues on issues like Palestine and Immigration. Those will be critical for some of the critical swing states
Yeah I was only half serious. Look at this disingenuous shit:
https://lemmy.world/comment/11786922
Not to detract from what you're saying, other than to add that I think Linkerbaan has shown a strong pattern of saying things that would discourage voting for Democrats. He is not interested in preventing a Trump presidency. In fact I think that's exactly what he wants.
Have you been watching this rage fest over the last ten months? The guy never seems to talk or think about another subject. Every chance he gets to shit on Democrats, he does. In the comment I linked above he's now full on saying one news article confirms that Trump's policy on Israel is the same as Biden's and Harris's. I do not think he is stupid enough to actually believe that.
Yeah, to me he comes off as someone who is angry at both parties, that they are effectively the same, and is lashing out at others as an outlet for that anger. As if he got black pilled by US foreign policy, as if voters have any realistic say on that.
His comments are rude, antagonistic, and unhelpful. The bipartisanship of US foreign policy (there are differences but it's still bipartisan for the most part), deserves criticism and a discussion on how to realistically influence the Democratic party to change (we all know the Republican party would never be an avenue for change), but he's not doing that.
Trump is obviously lying, as it always does. But idk, he may genuinely believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary. Hell, there are even some Palestinians that falsely believe trump would be better than Biden right now. That kind of mentality comes from desperation and despair. It certainly isn't correct, but it does motivate me to advocate for pushing the democratic administration left and make Israel a partisan issue. Trump is currently running as if he's the peace ticket, not because he actually is but because it's a good way to grab votes. The Democrats need to be the genuine peace ticket, for their own benefit and the relief of Palestinians trying to survive this genocide
Thank you for the balanced comment.
I was surprised at the comment above, as you pointed out it seems quite clear that the US and Biden aren't actively preventing Israel's attacks.
Considering the misinformation and false accusations you share here- I’m surprised you haven’t been banned from the entire platform. The mods are FAR too patient with you.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm saying they should encourage voting for Harris, Biden previously, if nothing else ,for palestinian interest. This is not "supporting genocide" in the least.
If anyone "supports genocide" it would be those who act in favor of a trump victory. We all know he would be far worse for their sake and for everyone else's sake.
What's unbelievable is after almost a year you are still pretending you don't know trump would be FAR worse.
And in this comment specifically, you're pretending that I'm claiming who they "defend" is the lie, vs the neverending "supports genocide" line of ineffective tripe.
No but Jordan states that support that if you defend anything a person or group does, you unconditionally support everything have ever done.
Just like how saying the Houthis Red Sea blockade is good means that you defend the usage of child soldiers.
No but Jordan states that support that if you defend anything a person or group does, you unconditionally support everything have ever done.
It's like you are 100% are describing yourself. Conversations with you go like this:
you: "Biden is funding genocide!"
anyone else: "Trump would be way worse, regardless of what Biden has done"
you: "You liberals LOVE genocide"
So why exactly are you harping on the point that someone else behaved (you claim at least) like you do all the time, and that's what makes them bad? How exactly does this let you dodge the significant fact that trump would be entirely WAY worse than Biden ever was?
I see the classic "don't respond to the thread and do an ad-hominem."
Nice "But Trump". Somehow shoved in there as well very impressive.
If you weren't simping for Trump, I don't think anyone would take issue with you. You go to great lengths to ignore that.
ad-hominem
What exactly about pointing out your hypocrisy is "ad-hominem"? Hilarious you think you're immune to your own criticism that you perfectly embody.
You go to great lengths to blame literally every subject on Donald Trump. is Donald Trump a scary lemmy.ml mod?
Your comments defending the Houthis are still up in the thread that got you banned:
https://lemmy.world/post/17703619
Specifically, I think, this one:
https://lemmy.world/comment/11259752
@Linkerbaan
9•26 days ago
Houthis attacking all three imperial superpowers at once holy based.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based
"A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang."
As one of the other mods of World News, who has personal connections to people who have lived and been abused under Israeli occupation, even I looked at some of the things you posted and went "Yeah, that goes too far."
You're obviously passionate on the issue, I get that, but arguing in favor of the Houthis just because they're against Israel is not a good look.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/13/yemen-houthis-recruit-more-child-soldiers-october-7
That is what got you in trouble with Flying Squid, not because they're a Zionist.
Calling people you don't like a Zionist is absolutely in horrible taste.
You treat people badly, you get caught, and you get bans. Hell, let's let the people decide.
https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/modlog/view?target=3867209
TL;DR - you believe you should be able to post what you want, where you want, and attack anybody who disagrees with you by labeling them "Zionist". Read the rules (and the room) when posting/commenting, and you'll have less push back.
So you admit that according to your own logic you are a Zionist and you fully support the Genocide in Gaza?
Dude… seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Calling people you don’t like a Zionist is absolutely in horrible taste.
You treat people badly, you get caught, and you get bans. Hell, let’s let the people decide.
https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/modlog/view?target=3867209
TL;DR - you believe you should be able to post what you want, where you want, and attack anybody who disagrees with you by labeling them “Zionist”. Read the rules (and the room) when posting/commenting, and you’ll have less push back.
Off-topic but how does the modlog work? Apparently I've been banned somewhere for extremism but I can't see why? https://dubvee.org/modlog?other_person_id=4130492
dubv is a weird one. You can ignore that one, as it does it to everybody. I think it's someone's self-hosted instance. Being banned there means nothing.
Now, in fairness, a lot of those community bans appear to have been in error and were reversed. Nobody should hold that against them.
Thank you for this.
The mods comment was defending israel by claiming the Houthi's were not blockading the red sea to prevent the Genocide from israel, but because they are just violent bad people.
This alone would not be a problem if Squid did not make up false accusations and banned me when his pro israel claims were challenged.
Just like with the MBFC bot I always support my accusations with evidence. I do not randomly start calling people Zionists for no reason.
What an ironic comment since the Zionist mods of /news and /worldnews are the ones that banned me for debunking their literal israeli propaganda. Not sure what this has to do with the mods using the MBFC website which is ran by literal Zionists that label MondoWeiss as unreliable because they are "anti-zionist". If Anything the mods on the .world news sub's have proven they are massive Zionists with that move alone.
Let's start with that one. NONE of the moderators of !news@lemmy.world are Zionists. Throwing around baseless allegations can only lead to strife. I'm a staunch defender of Palestine, and hate what is happening to them.
We use MBFC because we need SOMETHING in place, and there aren't many alternatives. There's no perfect solution, and there are many topics, ASIDE from the middle east, as hard as that is to accept.
I was banned quite a while before the first post. I just didn’t care enough to make a post about it until FlyingZionist wanted to flaunt his mod powers yesterday.
(emphasis added) - you love to call people you are arguing with Zionists.
- https://lemmy.world/post/16634874 <- an article posted by FlyingSquid, defending the civilians.
- https://lemmy.world/post/14716513 <- another article, posted by FlyingSquid, defending anti-genocide protesters
- https://lemmy.world/post/18568832 <- another article, posted by, you guessed it, FlyingSquid, basically saying "much of the world rightly has a pro-Palestinian bias"
For a person that claims to only attack with facts and data, you really love attacking us with neither.
https://lemmy.world/post/16634874 <- an article posted by FlyingSquid, defending the civilians. https://lemmy.world/post/14716513 <- another article, posted by FlyingSquid, defending anti-genocide protesters https://lemmy.world/post/18568832 <- another article, posted by, you guessed it, FlyingSquid, basically saying “much of the world rightly has a pro-Palestinian bias”
Sorry to be this guy, but out of those 3 links, only the 2nd one was posted by FlyingSquid, are you sure you posted the correct links (might be a crosspost issue or something)
It very well could be a crosspost issue. Checking...
some were comments, and I grabbed posts. sorry
https://lemmy.world/comment/11732533 https://lemmy.world/comment/10687342
This alone would not be a problem if Squid did not make up false accusations and banned me when his pro israel claims were challenged.<<
Respond to that one. Show me the evidence of me defending the usage of child soldiers as was claimed by FlyingSquid.
I do not care about his posturing and virtue signalling comments.
The behavior of Squid and him lying for israel and crybullying users away which disagree with him debunks your entire
Once again: If FlyingSquid is not a Zionist show me the evidence of me defending the usage of child soldiers.
You don't realize how arguments work. The onus falls on the one making the claims. Furthermore, I've given you chances when the rest of the mods have begged me not to. I believe in allowing all viewpoints to coexist, but you chose to attack the same people that defend you.
I've shown you what you asked to see. I sent you articles posted by FlyingSquid doing just that, but if it doesn't say EXACTLY what you expect, I get "ah ha! but they didn't say my exact magical incantation!"
Going forward, you're on your own. You're no victim. You're the bully.
How about you explain calling me and the other mods of News Zionists?
The onus falls on the one making the claims.
So show me the evidence of me defending the usage of child soldiers.
I didn't make that claim. Why would I? I NEVER had beef with you, but you fucking call me a Zionist.
I'm saying I have raised the concerns about being wrongfully banned to the team in /worldnews and they claim that I said something which I never said.
You also ignore the very obvious crybullying powertrip FlyingSquid is on. Just read this comment chain without prejudice https://lemmy.world/comment/11742626
Nope, I never said that, and anyone reading my non-mod comments in World News can see that:
https://lemmy.world/comment/11610979
Your problem is you can't see how anyone can disagree with you and not be a Zionist.
Your problem is that you fail to use your own logic on yourself, and falsely accuse people of defending the use of child soldiers without evidence.
You are still doing this.
Read my previous comment again and do some self reflection.
I read it, you endorsed them and got banned for it. Sources are all cited above.
Either you are incapable of reading or you do not understand the difference between endorsing an action and endorsing a group.
Did you, or did you not, in fact use the word "based"?
It's right there in the comment.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based
"A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang."
A word used when you agree with something;
Yes there it is Jordan. First definition in the list.
The Houthis attacking an American ship transporting oil from Russia to China and thus attacking all three global imperialist superpowers is an ACTION.
Do you understand the difference between endorsing an action, an actor, and every single action a group has ever committed?
Or are you pretending most users on .world were endorsing "The usage of child soldiers"?
"The Houthis actions in this conflict pertaining Gaza are absolutely stellar..."
Emphasis mine.
Not once, but twice. You're endorsing war criminals.
You can keep denying it, but we have the receipts. You need to pick and choose your battles, you're on the losing side with this one.
They are not sending children on suicide boats but autonomous boat drones
Wow thank you for providing a screenshot debunking your own lies.
“The Houthis actions in this conflict pertaining Gaza are absolutely stellar…”
Look at that it even specifies the word ACTION and specifically refers to their actions pertaining the red sea blockade and not the usage of child soldiers in their war against Saudi.
Have you considered for a second you might be on the wrong side of this one Jordan? It doesn't seem like you are even reading the screenshots you are posting.
No one supports genocide, except maybe people who actively encourage voting against the only party that can defeat trump.
Because you're wholly unconcerned about the very real threat that Trump is to Palestinians, your fake ass sanctimony rings HOLLOW as FUCK.