"Harry Potter" author Rowling has been absent from social media for several days, after erroneously calling female Olympic boxer Khelif a "man."
Author J.K. Rowling has fallen silent on her usually busy X (formerly Twitter) feed, after Olympic gold medalist boxer Imane Khelif filed a legal complaint in France for alleged cyber harassment over statements regarding her gender.
On August 9, lawyers for Khelif filed a lawsuit with a special unit of the public prosecutor's office in Paris, stemming from false statements that spread online about her gender after the Algerian boxer defeated Italy's Angela Carini in her first fight of the 2024 Olympic Games. Carini pulled out 46 seconds into the bout and told reporters afterwards that she had "never felt a punch like this."
Because this a politicized topic no one uses common sense, they come in with preconceived notions and aim to find supporting facts for their predetermined opinions.
This issue is actually quite nuanced. The fighter has an intersex disorder which makes their sex ambiguous to anyone that doesn't have access to their medical record, and she has been disqualified from competing in past events due to failing female tests, Olympics is one of the few places to allow her to compete.
I think calling an intersex person who claims to be a woman a man is wrong, even if they have psychical traits of a male (XY chromosome & higher testosterone).
However -- in terms of competing, we segregate combat sports by sex for a reason, so if you have the physical advantages of a male you should not compete. It's not a matter of just competitive integrity, but safety. Fighting is always dangerous, but men or anyone with the physiology of a male fighting women is extremely dangerous. In grappling maybe not, but in a combat sport with striking yes. We have to table our feelings and see that when determining if someone should compete.
But I think the rhetoric around the issue is gross. I don't think theirs malice persay, rather the individual is intersex, has masculine traits and is really strong so people falsely presumed they were trans. It's a reasonable assumption to make as being intersex is incredibly rare but nonetheless they should've verified this information before making public statements, as I try to do.
The fighter has an intersex disorder which makes their sex ambiguous to anyone that doesn't have access to their medical record, and she has been disqualified from competing in past events due to failing female tests, Olympics is one of the few places to allow her to compete.
Do you have a source on the intersex disorder claim. I have seen a lot of articles claim that XY DNA was found in her samples by IBA but the IBA never released their medical results nor what tests they conducted.
I agree on the intersex thing in unsubstantiated, but I still don't understand. Nazis claim that a person's sex should be the one "observed" at birth, legally binding so, end of. Do they fucking anywhere state that this definition excludes intersex conditions? This is the very definition of moving goalposts, and they should eternally stuff it after that, like Rowling did.
(Willie Wonka: Watching conservatives claim there is more to biological sex than genitals at birth, lmao)
Let's not forget that Rowling accuses the "Trans movement" of dehumanizing people, and then goes on to misgender a born woman for her appearance.
(weeps for humanity then laughs hysterically)
[S]ome of you have not understood the books. The Death Eaters claimed, “We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.” They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them. I am fighting what I see as a powerful, insidious, misogynistic movement, that has gained huge purchase in very influential areas of society. I do not see this particular movement as either benign or powerless, so I’m afraid I stand with the women who are fighting to be heard against threats of loss of livelihood and threats to their safety.
I hope this asshole regrets this quote now. Fuck Rowling.
There's literally no information available to state she is intersex. This was put forward last year without any evidence by the IBA, run by a Russian puppet, 3 days after she defeated a Russian boxer. This federation had been under scrutiny since 2019 exactly because of corruption.
I'm all for being careful when talking about this and I'm not ascribing ill intent towards you. Just try to not repeat this base less propaganda that she's intersex, has xy chromosomes or something.
Personally I find this entire thing seems to be now supported and kept alive by people and organisations who want women to look and act a certain way, and any woman who deviates is not considered a real woman.
And since I personally train a combat sport, and most of my women friends who compete also look strong, muscled and often like shaving at least parts of their hair off, they tend to look similar to Khelif. It'd be ridiculous to question if they are women, most of them already have kids fcol.
They scrapped gender tests, despite a large majority of female athletes voting to keep them. As a result, there isn’t any regulations from sports controlled by the IOC that prevents anyone competing due to gender/chromosomes.
The governing bodies for each sport control the rules for their own sport. The IOC has a basic framework, but many sports specifically ban competitors that have DSD that give them unfair advantages. For instance, female competitors must have under 5 mol/L of testosterone in their blood to compete in running events between 400m and 1 mile.
There is no current governing body for boxing, because the IOC cut ties with the IBA. They put together a temporary group to handle the 2024 Olympics, but if another governing body doesn't step up for boxing, it will not be included in the 2028 Olympics. The IOC completely failed to protect their female competitors this year and have dropped the ball on this entire issue. They have no rules covering any of this stuff and refuse to handle it in the right way.
So she is clearly a cis women (AFAB and identifies as a women), but all evidence points she has a XY chromosome AND grew up with elevated testosterone levels.
Here are the facts we know, minus the conspiracy theories:
Imane claims to have been born female and has a female birth certificate.
Imane's passport lists her as female
Imane's coach said that she is so strong that she was injuring the other females in training. She was deemed too dangerous to pair with females and had to be paired with men, as they better matched her strength.
During a tournament in India, concerns were raised about Imane's gender by medical staff, trainers, and competitors. This had nothing to do with how she looked. It was purely because of her strength.
Imane first underwent a karyotype test in 2022. The results came back as XY male. Imane wasn't immediately disqualified. Both Khelif and Lin submitted to chromosome tests at the May 2022 Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul and again at the March 2023 Women’s World Boxing Championships in New Delhi. Referring to the second tests, the IBA said in a statement issued earlier this week, “The findings were absolutely identical to the first results.”
The New Delhi test results for each say “chromosome analysis reveals Male karyotype” – with a depiction of XY chromosomes. The lab is CAP-certified and ISO-certified.
Imane was disqualified following the second tests, and she was apparently shocked and devastated by the decision. Despite having known for nearly a year that she had XY chromosomes.
These test results are appropriately not public.
Following her acceptance into the Olympics, the IBA sent a letter to the IOC informing them of their test findings and warning them that it was too dangerous for Imane to compete against females.
The IOC allowed Imane to compete against women in the Olympics, as their gender inclusion policy is based solely on gender identity, not gender biology. All they cared about was the gender listed on her passport. And apparently gave zero fucks about the safety of other competitors.
The IOC has never accused the IBA of faking the karyotype tests and has never referred to Imane as a 'biological woman'.
The IBA was so upset with the IOC for allowing Imane to compete against females. They travelled to Paris and held a press conference voicing their concerns. They have also awarded compensation to the women with fought Imane.
Imane and Lim were the only female boxers to win every round at the Olympics. Both are suspected to be males.
The IOC had to backtrack on a public statement that "this isn't a DSD case," correcting it to "this isn't a transgender case." This means it most likely is a DSD case.
The IBA is a corrupt Russian body that was upset the Russian boxer was defeated. They never released any results or the methodology they used to determine their decision. They were rightly removed from the IOC.
The test she failed is for an organization known to be even more corrupt than the IOC, and a lot of the other sports organizations do not just take their word for anything. Also, they never said what exactly the test was, or in what way she failed. So, unless you got some really updated citations, your argument is speculation based on very vague information, from an organization that doesn't have a great reputation.
Their argument is bad because it relies on vague information, from a source with a bad rep. This woman also performs in a bunch of countries that absolutely do not accept trans people, and also run lab work to make sure of their sex.
I'm new to this app & I'm politically homeless. I hate conservative and liberal propaganda / spinning of stories, but theirs no way to avoid it because humans are biased.
So what do I do? I follow both liberal and conservative news sources and engage with the people under the posts, since I can't escape the spins I just get both of them and try to see both sides then determine what's right.
Issue is on Lemmy (as someone who just joined) theirs literally no conservative place to join unlike Reddit. Like conservative communities here are anti-Trump and pro-Harris articles. I dislike reddit strongly so I have left, but Lemmy seems like an even worse place to get information because theirs no balance, theirs no diversity, communities trying to offer that are overrun and downvote bridaged.
Hopefully my experience gets better or I find some impartial communities. I really hate rhetoric and culture war issues, I just want to keep up to date on news and that's it.