Keith Ellison becomes latest Democrat to attack Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Party
Keith Ellison becomes latest Democrat to attack Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Party
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Someone should explain to those Muslims in Wisconsin that Stein literally cannot win their state. She has no electors. State law requires that a candidates electors be nominated by state office holders. The greens have no state office holders so they cannot nominate any electors. Even if Stein were to somehow win the state, she can't get the electoral votes for Wisconsin. All she can do is again steal enough votes from Harris to give the election to Trump.
It's not about that. It's making the statement: condem Israel and promise an arms embargo or we'll spoil the election.
That's all Kamala has to do and the Jill problem will be over.
That may be the statement they want to make, but the statement they are making is: Condemn Israel or we will let the fascists install a virulently anti-Muslim dictator who will actively help Israel wipe out Palestine.
You might call it a political suicide bombing?
Yeah those muslims just need to rollover and accept democrats or republicans murdering them
A Democrat or a Republican is going to win either way. Only an insane person or an idiot would vote for someone with no chance of winning rather than for the candidate who will do the least harm.
Only an insane person or an idiot would vote for someone with no chance of winning rather than for the candidate who will do the least harm.
So you’re saying all these Muslim voters are either insane or idiots for making their own choice? That doesn’t sound very respectful.
If they vote third party then yes, I do think they're idiots or insane people. But I also have faith they'll make the right decision when election day finally comes.
If they vote third party then yes, I do think they’re idiots or insane people.
Wow, alright then. Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone on the fence wouldn’t be racing to join the Democrats. I mean, with such welcoming, open-minded attitudes like yours, who wouldn’t want to? Lmao.
I'm not a Democrat, I'm just planning to vote for one. Because I'm not a fucking idiot.
So everyone who isn't voting for Harris is "a fucking idiot"? Wow. Ok, then. lmao
Yes. Unless you're ignorant.
Assuming you've paid any attention at all to the last 8 years of American politics, then yeah, not voting for Harris is fucking idiotic.
then yeah, not voting for Harris is fucking idiotic.
So you think half of the United States is idiotic. Wow. Ok, then.
Calling voters murderers is an outstanding electoral strategy
Im calling the elected officials murderers
Someone should explain to those Muslims in Wisconsin
I think you’re underestimating them. These workers and voters are educated, smart, and fully aware of the stakes—they don’t need anyone to explain anything.
To imply they can't think for themselves is an insult to their intelligence. They’re not pawns of the duopoly; they know exactly what they’re doing by rejecting the system that’s failed them time and time again. And I support them and their decisions.
They are not rejecting the system. To do that they would need to leave and go somewhere else. What they, and you, are doing is refusing to participate in the system as it currently functions and by doing so allowing the system to put a fascist in charge, a fascist that will happily wipe them out.
What they, and you, are doing is refusing to participate in the system as it currently functions and by doing so allowing the system to put a fascist in charge, a fascist that will happily wipe them out.
I disagree. OP is 1000% aware of the results of the actions they support. They are actively participating in assisting fascists. I refuse to let them act like they're sitting this out because they're so enlightened about the duopoly and whatever nonsense they want to bitch about.
They are actively participating in assisting fascists.
All that because I'm not voting for your candidate? lmao
Also, half of the country isn't voting for your candidate. So are you implying that entirely half of the United States are "actively participating in assisting fascists"?!
So half of America is fascist now?! Say what, mate?!
I'm still not gonna vote for your candidate, but wow, you seem really angry and confused.
I couldn't care less who you vote for. Your propaganda crusade for 3rd party candidates is where I get annoyed. Luckily you're incredibly transparent so I don't think you're all that effective.
No one's angry with you. We just know what you are and it's just annoying that we have to cover your spew of nonsense when we could be having much more productive and interesting discussions.
This ends another pointless conversation with a child. Have a nice day!
Your propaganda crusade for 3rd party candidates is where I get annoyed. Luckily you’re incredibly transparent so I don’t think you’re all that effective.
So if I'm as ineffective as you say, then there's really no reason for you to be annoyed or concerned. Right? I mean, if I'm not making an impact, then what's the harm in just letting me post what I want where I want?
No one’s angry with you.
Um...
We just know what you are
And what am I?
it’s just annoying that we have to cover your spew of nonsense when we could be having much more productive and interesting discussions.
You don’t actually have to deal with my "spew of nonsense" at all. You can simply choose not to interact, skip reading my posts, or block me altogether if it bothers you that much. No one’s forcing you to comment here, right?
So half of America is fascist now?! Say what, mate?!
Tbf, probably more than that. But it's always "the other party", not my favorite major half of the duopoly.
User name does not check out.
Again, I think you’re underestimating them. These workers and voters are educated, smart, and fully aware of the stakes—they are doing what they want to. And I support them voting for whoever they want to vote for. As I support you voting for whoever you want to.
I trust them. This is all bullshit hype. The vast majority of everyone are too smart to fall for this Jill Stein spoiler bullshit. But you keep pumping it. We'll see how it turns out in the end. It's keeping you busy at least.
But you keep pumping it.
Friend, I didn't write the article--I just posted it. How is that "pumping it"?
Are you implying that there should be news we shouldn't post or not allow to be seen? Do you know what that's called?
I'm not even voting for Jill Stein, brother.
Get fucked. You are pumping this out shit every day and your arguments are disingenuous. We're not friends.
But I told you, go ahead and do it as much as you like. No one is falling for this hackney bullshit.
Really? Here's my post history: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
So, tell me, how much time do you think I’m actually spending "pumping out" Jill Stein articles (which I don't even write)? There's my post history for all to see. What percentage of my posts are about her or the Green Party?
Go ahead, enlighten us.
If news articles bother you so much, and you’d rather see less coverage that challenges your views, please feel free to contact the news orgs and tell them why you believe in more censorship and fewer choices.
How terrible would my life have to be for me to tally up your post percentages? All I know is that when I see Jill Stein show on my feed, it's you posting it.
Also I've told you twice now to post anything you want. Why do you keep trying to make it seem like I want censorship? Is that a tactic from stawmanning 101 at the troll farm academy?
How terrible would my life have to be for me to tally up your post percentages?
Well, maybe don’t throw around accusations that I spend all my time posting about Jill Stein if you’re not actually willing to check the facts about it.
All I know is that when I see Jill Stein show on my feed, it’s you posting it.
That doesn't really mean I spend all my time posting about her or "pumping" out stuff about her, now does it?
I also post a lot of libertarian articles to this community. I also post a lot of Claudia De la Cruz (socialist party) articles to this community. In fact, all of my posts to this community are about third parties.
Are you mad about the number of pro-Harris articles that are posted here daily?! Because there are way more of those than ones of Jill Stein.
Were you under the impression that this political news community was ONLY for pro-Harris news articles?! It's not. It's actually for political news discussion.
Calm down, man. I'm not even voting for Jill Stein. I post news about third parties because I'm interested in third-party political news. She's third party. That's it. No vast conspiracy.
If you are so tired of seeing me posting stuff, feel free to block me. I totally respect and support your right to do that.
If you are so tired of seeing me posting stuff, feel free to block me. I totally respect and support your right to do that.
You'd like that wouldn't you. No, I'll reserve my right to continue to comment on your nonsense. It ain't much, but it's honest work.
I'll bet you're not voting for her because you're not a US citizen. That's my best guess.
In a way, AOC was right.
Wanted to add that the there's an exception to this. The actual law states that, among other categories,
Candidates for the senate and assembly nominated by each political party at the primary,
Legislative candidates can also be electors.
So if the Green Party had fielded candidates for these lower offices, then those candidates could also serve as the electors and they wouldn't have this problem. Which hits the point that AOC made well, that the Green Party needs to be building at the grassroots and fielding candidates in more lower offices.
If we check the law itself again, there's also this bit,
8.185 Write-in candidates for president and vice president. ... (2) Any candidates for the office of president and vice president of the United States as write-in candidates shall file a list of presidential electors ... Compliance with this subsection may be waived by the commission ... In such event, the write-in candidate shall have until 4:30 p.m. on the Friday following the general election to comply with the filing requirements of this subsection.
It's interesting to see that the requirements are more lax for write-in candidates - not needing to decide on the electors until after the election has been held.
And if a write-in or independent or third party did win the election, I think it's a possibility that retiring state senators from other parties might well agree to serve as electors for that candidate (as the better alternative to seeing the state's electoral votes lost).
So if Jill Stein were a write-in candidate, then it's possible to see her getting an actual slate of electors in Wisconsin if she did win the election in that state.
That being the case, perhaps there's some legal rabbit that the Green Party is waiting to pull out of their hat to solve this when the time is right - say to argue and convince the WEC and the courts that the more lax write-in deadline should apply to Stein and the Green Party upon their victory.