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Hexbear Discussion Round 2

I figured since their admin has asked them to stop participating over here it may be worthwhile to get a new discussion going that is primarily blahaj. I'm almost certain they'll still be upvoting so keep that in mind as that may skew things. Worthwhile to check in from instances that have already defederated them. The previous thread definitely left a bad taste in my mouth but what do y'all think?

Old thread can be found here

EDIT: With regards to the post on new federation guidelines here: https://hexbear.net/post/352119

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Every instance that has talked shit and got dogpiled should be thanking us for breathing some life into their dead and boring ass websites.

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  • Hexbear is... a lot. It really does feel like they swarmed the last thread. I wish there were a way to lock threads to the local instance.

    They seem to really take glee in harassment of "liberals". Their justification of "if we are harassing you you deserve it" doesn't hold a lot of water for me, because they seem to harass anyone who doesn't think the exact same way as them. I certainly get the hostility towards liberals, but while that's all well and good in their little quarantine zone over there now that they're in the larger Threadiverse their whole "dunking on libs" thing just makes lemmy an exhausting place to be.

    And then they turn around and mock everyone for being bothered by their hostility. I want to like Hexbear, but I'm not sure whether they're good federationmates.

    I hope we don't have to defed, but if Ada decides to it'll certainly be earned.

    • When I heard that hexbear was a lefty instance that was federating I was initially a bit excited

      Then I went to hexbear to check it out and saying it's a lot is an understatement

      The one's I've encountered here and only other instances on some of my alt accounts have some pretty shit views in regards to some current events

      Their (at least every single one I've encountered) strong stance on letting Ukraine get steam rolled because "No war but class war," is definitely one that rubs me the wrong way. Considering how much that statement used in that regard missing the very idea of defending one's self.

      Basically the ones I've encountered are straight up tankies, yeah they seem to support trans rights and other queer folk but it's definitely hard to associate with them when their political views or so shit on other regards.

      If we defederated from them I'd support it, though I think that perhaps encountering more people outside of their echo chamber they've been living in for years might dampen some of their shittier views a bit.

      But god damn are they fucking hostile to anyone in the out group.

      • Also the “No war but class war” part means they don't actually support LGBTQ+ people when the chips are down. They will absolutely throw "identity politics" under the bus if it benefits them to do so.

        • Yeah I've already seen one refer to culture war and identity politics as something to abandon in favor of class war as something that "Dems need to do" so I'd say it's not even a stretch just them needing to receive enough push to say the quiet part out loud.

          Of course now that I'm trying to find the comment I'm referencing it looks like it's been removed as I've checked my alts and can't seem to find it.

          Hell I can't even find the post though that's not surprising as it was (I think) a US news story in one of the World News communities about a pro LGBTQ+ teacher being forced to flee their state or something.

          • I'm a leftist. Not a Leninist or hexxbear or whatever. I am very for supporting everyone generally. Lgbtqia+mnop absolutely as well. But I think point of the phrase despite them being horrible at articulating it. If you look at the people spreading culture War, sparking the reflexive response of identity politics in return. They are typically members of wealthy powerful classes. Or the rubes they manipulate. By castrating said classes or even abolishing them. We could largely crash culture wars and the perceived need for identity politics in return. That shouldn't mean we stop supporting the people who need it however.

            The people funding and pushing the culture War want their minions to be attacked with identity politics in return. It polarizes and separates both groups. And keeps them from realizing their common interests. Such as abolishing the ownership and Leisure Class. Re-investing in society and average everyday working people.

            The question is how do we respond? We cannot abandon those being attacked. But we'd be more successful if we found a way not to alienate those whose Minds have been poisoned by the culture War bullshit. Unfortunately trying to reason with a culture warbot is like trying to squeeze IQ points from a turnip. You'd be more likely to get blood. It's honestly just easier to argue with them and increase the Divide.

    • I wish there were a way to lock threads to the local instance.

      Might be worth putting this feature in an automod bot in the long term.

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