Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves
A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
Biden wasn't restraining israel at all and Harris kept talking about how she'd be a continuation of Biden. Now you're bringing in a bunch of other issues that aren't what these voters are focused on. Turns out you have to appeal to voters to get their votes.
You seem to be under the impression that all discussions between the two countries happened in public. Do I have that right?
Ok, then what evidence do you have that Biden’s private discussions had any tangible benefit? Biden praised and hugged Netanyahu in public, but if you want me to believe he was harsh on him in private, show me what secret “behind the scenes” action made it worth it to allow Netanyahu to publicly insult Biden and make the US look complicit in war crimes. Did it prevent escalation of the war or bombing of Lebanon? No. Did it force Israel to stop bombing Gaza hospitals? Did it force Israel to publicly hold soldiers to account for war crimes? Nope. Did he force both sides into a ceasefire or get hostages with American citizenship back? NO. Literally every one of Biden’s publicly stated Israel-Palestine policies failed.
You have nothing to show for this “trust Biden, he’s working behind the scenes even if he’s looking like a fool in public for praising Netanyahu and acting blind to the atrocities in Gaza.”
That’s not evidence. I don’t see any mention of how Biden got Netanyahu to cave on anything. If anything it appears Trump got him to agree to the plan that Hamas already agreed to back in May.
Biden sanctioned only 7 settlers. Not 7 per illegal settlement, or 7 per day, 7 settlers in total. In the first 9 months of 2023 before the war, settlers killed over 240 Palestinians and set 3 West Bank towns on fire, and it’s on video with the IDF standing by and not intervening. Prosecutors decline to prosecute any Israeli settlers despite the evidence.
A stupid weak policy that did nothing as Israel complained and Biden cut the sanctions down to 5 people after the settlers sued him, then Trump reversed it. That was your evidence of what exactly? Biden being useless? It’s the equivalent of leaving a penny as a tip. You’re going to argue it counts as something useful?
Biden should go down in history as a pathetic president on this issue.
How many sanctions do you expect from Trump?
He's looking to just "clean out" Gaza. C'mon. Admit it. You were either trolling knowing full well that Trump would be worse or you got taken for a ride and just don't want to admit how dumb you were.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-bomb-gaza-hamas-war-023b36984c6116c128b5e47f117bba2a
Or maybe I misread you and you know Biden was the better choice all along?
How many sanctions do you expect from Trump?
That’s a ridiculous question. A person who leaves a penny as a tip did give more than a person who left no tip at all, but you’re mad that they aren’t being praised for that penny? Or are you arguing that a penny is significant? Sanctioning just 7 people while continuing to arm and fund hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers who are openly committing violence and obstructing peace is useless and frankly more insulting than any actual help.
We all know Trump is bad. We lived through it. I was in Palestine while Trump was in office. It was grim. But if Netanyahu had decided to actually go through with his cabinet’s open talk of cleaning out Gaza, Biden would have publicly defended him and gone along with it, because he refused to ever criticize Netanyahu in public. Obama actually proposed meaningful sanctions on Israelis and Biden privately argued against them and as VP he publicly undermined Obama on the issue. That’s not an appreciable improvement over Trump who just says the bigoted and extreme stuff out loud and is functionally the same.
