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Trump doubles down on Gaza takeover proposal despite bipartisan opposition

www.theguardian.com Trump doubles down on Gaza takeover proposal despite bipartisan opposition

President says territory would be ‘turned over’ to US by Israel as it emerges idea was not discussed with aides

Summary

Trump reiterated his proposal for the U.S. to take over Gaza after Israel’s military campaign, despite backlash from Republicans, international leaders, and human rights groups.

The plan, announced without consulting aides or conducting feasibility studies, suggests relocating Palestinians and rebuilding Gaza as a tourist hub.

The White House attempted damage control, calling relocation "temporary," but concerns persist over the plan’s implications and potential for escalating regional tensions.

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If there’s one silver lining to this insanity it’s that it does seem like there is widespread consensus in American society that we don’t want any more foreign wars or adventurism.
- Don't worry, eventually there will be another USS Maine event to justify another round of imperialism. Our oligarchs wouldn't let a good opportunity go to waste.
  
  Eventually yes probably but the mood right now continues to be very anti-war at least in terms of direct US involvement. So that makes these imperialist fantasies at least more difficult and costly to implement.
  Trump likes to cosplay as the supreme leader but like all presidents he has limited political capital to spend and going against his base will be very costly indeed.
  
  I hope you're right.
- That's the best thing about a Trump presidency. He's constitutionally incapable of self-control, and his absurdity usually leads to some unintended positive side effects.
- there is widespread consensus in American society that we don’t want any more foreign wars or adventurism.
  the USA has been at war for over 90% of its history, if what you said is true it will probably change very soon
  
  I can’t predict the future, I’m just speaking to what I see in the culture today. I heard from a lot of Trump voters that their perception of him as an anti-war candidate was a factor in their support, so I do think this is true in this moment. How deeply held that conviction is and how easily it will be swayed when our rulers decide war is to their favor remains to be seen but at minimum it will require political capital to drag people along with their imperialism.
- Not much of a silver lining when it's very clear that he could not give less of a shit about widespread consensus.
  
  You don’t seem to have a clear understanding of politics. He doesn’t have a choice. Like all leaders, Trump’s power comes from his supporters. If they don’t follow him then he can’t do a damn thing.
  Now I think it’s possible he may be able to drag them along but the fact that people on the right are already rejecting this idea is a good sign.
  
  I just stopped reading at your initial personal attack. Not even a little interested.
  
  It’s not an attack it’s just a lack of knowledge that almost all people share. But we need to understand these things to fight back.
  But whatever, I can’t force you to be interested.
  
  It is, in fact, an attack to tell someone that you know nothing about that they are ignorant about a vast topic based on a single comment.
  But whatever, I can't force you to not act like you're a superior being. You're not "almost all people" after all. You're special.
  
  Maybe you are right that I should have phrased it differently. I apologize for that but I am frustrated by this kind of rhetoric that in my view misses the underlying dynamics and makes us feel powerless.
  
  There's nothing wrong with your phrasing

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