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We have similar things for jesus such as the writings of people who recorded the existence of people who followed a guy named Jesus a few decades after his death.
Yes, we have contempory, verified sources of Aristotle's lectures, and writings.
We have no such thing for Yeshua. The earliest is, as you say, "a few decades", aka 70 years. That's two entire generations. Nothing contemporary, and in fact, contemporary documents actually contradict much of what was written.
It would ge really odd for people around the Mediterranean to all follow the teachings of a guy who they call by the same name who never existed.
And yet, here were are, writing about a mystical man in the sky... Who never existed, as far as any evidence tells us. And, in fact, whatever evidence we DO find, contradicts the claims made by adherents to that mythology.
Hell, how many Romans wrote about how awesome on the field of battle Hercules was... Pretty certain a demigod never existed by the name of Hercules.
BTW, from your link:
"There is no physical or archaeological evidence tied to Jesus, nor do we have any written evidence directly linked to him"
- We have things that other people who may or may not have known Aristotle claim Aristotle wrote. If you believe Aristotle and Plato were real people then you should accept that Jesus was based on somebody even if the message he was spreading isn’t the same as the faith maintains now.
  Why not try reading the link rather than expounding upon a false understanding? For example the earliest writings are from around 70CE which is 37-40 years later. You shoildn’t be making any claims when you are making mistakes this simple because you clearly aren’t coming from an educated perspective.
  I’m not saying Jesus Christ in the Bible is a historical figure. I am saying there was a real human being that was a basis for the faith.
  And again all of this is based on what actual academic historians maintain not religious figures. What is your take based upon other than conjecture?
  
  We have things that other people who may or may not have known Aristotle claim Aristotle wrote.
  We have many things, written right about the same time, all making the same claims, about what Artistotle wrote.
  We do not have congruent, contemporary writings about Jesus/Yeshua.
  Why not try reading the link rather than expounding upon a false understanding?
  I did. And there is not evidence of his existence, as your link stated. Does that mean Yeshua, the individual, did not exist? No. But, it's also not on us to prove he did not exist! That's impossible (Proving a negative).
  What we can say: There is no evidence he existed, even in places it should exist. And, exceptional claims (Such as a virgin birth, son of god, major political decisions) require exceptional evidence.
  You cannot prove there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun, either. However, we can safely assume there is not, until such evidence has been found to support said claim.
  For example the earliest writings are from around 70CE which is 37-40 years later.
  Fine. The closest writings are from 40 years late. One full generation. Did the prior generation not think to write ANYTHING about this guy? Not even a Roman notice somewhere? A proclamation of all male children being executed? NOTHING. Until 40 years after the claimed event.
  
  Where do you think this evidence should exist? Do you think the Jews and Romans kept birth records for the equivalent of working class people?
  Again Im not claiming there was a messiah. Im not claiming miracles were real so put own that straw bale you keep returning to.
  Ok and how do you think thousands of people all separated by massive distances all arrive on the same name and basic stories if they weren’t based on a single guy?
  Why would you think Rome has records of random people? We cannot prove the existence of almost anyone from Rome that way other than the extremely wealthy and influential.
  Do you have any actual historical education beyond secondary school? You don’t seem to
  
  Where do you think this evidence should exist?
  Well, to start... Contemporary accounts.
  Do you think the Jews and Romans kept birth records for the equivalent of working class people?
  Its literally claimed that Yeshua was subject to a census, performed by Romans, who were meticulous in their record keeping. We have no record of a census, period.
  Or, even decrees by Pilate ordering his execution.
  Or even, just, news of some radical with his name, causing trouble. NOTHING.
  What we have are accounts from 40-100 years later, making bold claims. Much like we have similar sets of evidence for the existence of a man named Hercules who was a demigod as well.
  Again Im not claiming there was a messiah. Im not claiming miracles were real so put own that straw bale you keep returning to.
  You are, however, expecting us to believe something with no evidence.
  Ok and how do you think thousands of people all separated by massive distances all arrive on the same name and basic stories if they weren’t based on a single guy?
  Same way all mythology forms. Tall tales told, and retold.
  Why would you think Rome has records of random people?
  This isn't "random people"... This is a person, who was so hated by his own community,they demanded a Roman governor try, and execute him. And Roman's kept pretty detailed records about this sort of stuff.
  SOMETHING would have survived. Nothing survived, or more likely, never existed.
  Do you have any actual historical education beyond secondary school? You don’t seem to
  Yes, I actually do, thanks. And none of the mythology should be taken any more serious than any other mythology we study.
  
  Do you think the Jews and Romans kept birth records for the equivalent of working class people?
  Yes
  
  why and on what? Remember papyrus and vellum were expensive and paper was invented in China in 105CE. The state wasn’t expending money on this.
  There was no record of these births/deaths for most people until relatively recently in many countries.

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