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Trans people do not find your definition of genocide and not a single bill is suggesting genocide.
Can you point to a specific bill you have an issue with? Most deal with children and hormones. That’s wildly unpopular with the voters and I suspect that’s what driving the bills.
What elected politician is running on the platform of killing the trans people?
I am not sure what Peterson or Knowles’s have to do with anything. Peterson isn’t even American and Knowles is a shock journalist from what I can tell. His job is to rile people up and it appears to have worked in your case.
Trans people don't find? Fit? I'm assuming fit. cultural genocide refers to the erasure of a groups cultural identity. Which absolutely fits their current situation.
I never said they were currently victims of genocide, but we are not far off from it at all. The bills regarding children and hormones are to cause enforced detransitioning. If you're broader with your definition of genocide, and there's good reason to be; these bills if passed and enforced, could reasonably be considered acts of genocide.
SB 254 was the bill from Florida I linked in my above comment was an example of the more rigid definition of genocide. It would allow children to be forcibly moved to Florida into the custody of their parent who lives there. A state that recently banned gender affirming care (hormones), relaxed death penalty restrictions, and a separate bill that allows for the death penalty of child sexual assault. An act thag the right wing is more than happy to accuse trans people of.
Just because it isn't happening right now doesn't mean it isn't a serious threat to a very marginalized community. If you'd read that bit about dog-whistling or watched the video linked on Michael Knowles, you'd know that politicians dont have to say the quiet part out loud. They're able to communicate their position through coded language and apeals to the more extremist demographics in their party. Desantis is running almost exclusively on an "anti-woke" platform. A part of that platform is pushing anti-trans sentiment and legislation. Trump has included gutting trans rights as a part of his platform. Their intent is clear.
Peterson and Knowles both have a clear and obvious effect on political discourse in the US. Particularly about things like LGBT rights, racism, misogyny and plenty of other hot button topics right now. Their part in all of this is obvious
Yes, fit. Trans is not a culture. The culture is Estonian, Jewish, etc.
No, we don't need to go broader with the definition, as words are already defined. The word bigoted is the proper word.
Yes, voters want children not to be subjected to hormones. That doesn't make it genocide as trans is neither a race, religion, etc.
You may not want to cite child rape as your tie to trans gender rights. The two are not connected at all unless I am missing something in the bill. While I am against the death penalty, there are no ties to child rape and trans gender people. So what am I missing or how does it relate to the topic?
You keep citing cases involving preventing children from transitioning. That isn't a sign that adults would be cut off from care. Two different issues and neither is genocide.
Voters are asking politicians to stop children from transitioning. As such they are taking action on it.
I don't really have a strong opinion on the topic. My best friend is trans and it took her til the age of 60 to figure it out. If someone tried to ban her getting hormones, I would vote against it. Children are a different story and I am staying out of the debate.
I'm not sure if you're purposefully ignoring or just ignorant to the research that has demonstrated that having access to gender reaffirming care significantly reduces risk of suicide in kids and teens. By banning these treatments, right wing legislatures are directly responsible for a rise in trans people dying.
Maybe you should read when I said I am not going to talk about children. As such I have not stated an opinion except the laws are not genocide. Trans people do not fit the definition of genocide. Voters can vote how they please and it's up to the courts to determine the outcome. I do not support any bans against adults. They should be free to do as they please as long as it is legal and consensual.
I do suggest that you read up on the history of how the Nazis got to power and how they built up to the extermination camps over time. You seem to be missing the nuances behind every single comment you've interacted with in this thread and I'd assume it's because you have absolutely no historical context. Or maybe you're just arguing in bad faith. Either way, the GOP has trans kids' blood on their hands because of their policies. Genocide or not.
It is hard to take anyone seriously when they start talking about Nazis. Godwin's Law in Action.
Lmao dude. Your comebacks are just too witty. I feel so owned. My liberal tears, gushing everywhere.
It's been fun, but I need to retain some brain cells so have a good one lol
You too! And no, it is not about owning anyone. It is about having an honest conversation. People throw around terms like Nazis to the point it loses all of its meaning. I am not into overly emotional rhetoric and more about real conversations. The only way to change the world is to have honest conversations. Otherwise, we just end up name-calling and nothing every gets better for anyone.
Culture: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
LGBT people are a social group. They have a distinct culture and history. Not knowing this is just ignorance on your part.
When a complex topic such as genocide is brought up, the context informs how it is defined in the conversation. Language is fluid and words have different definitions depending on their usage.
Banning gender affirming care and forcing detransitioning is a form of, or precursor to, genocide depending on your definition. As mentioned earlier, LGBT people are a social group with a distinct culture and history.
I'm not.tying child rape to trans rights. I said in literally the next sentence that the right accuses trans people of being groomers and pedophiles. All other things from that paragraph taken into consideration shows that the right could easily use and manipulate our already unjust and corrupt criminal system to justify the death penalty for trans people. Florida is a strong case for the rights attempts at genocide.
A lot of the cases cited would affect children and adults alike. You shifted the focus to children and I responded to that. The Florida laws affected gender affirming care for adults too, for example.
Most americans do not support anti trans legislation.
If you're voting republican, you're voting against your friend and you support genocide, whether you accept it or not. I'm not going to dickride democrats but they're at the very least not trying to push this garbage
They are a social group. They are not a cultural group as used in the definition of 1948. That is stretching for dramatic effect and weakens the argument. Either way, nobody is suggesting we round up trans people and mass execute them, and you just look silly claiming that.
I don't know who you think is accusing trans people of raping children. That is a legal matter; you should NOT try to tie the two together. You're citing a law that allows the death penalty for raping children, then stating it's an attack on trans people. It is not. While I am against the death penalty, the two should never be linked. Personally, I would not support the death penalty for child rapists as I don't support the death penalty. I think it is vengeance and not justice.
Since you like the daily caller, 80% of voters. That is a huge margin.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-nearly-80-of-voters-oppose-transgender-procedures-on-minors
I vote Republican, and no, I am not voting against my friend. The bills are against transitioning children and not adults. Trump supported transgender people before and while he was in office, and I has never expressed stopping adults from transitioning. She is 60 years old and the VA pays for her hormones as a veteran. As a veteran, If they tried to pull her support I would write my congress person.
There literally are people saying that we need to round up and shit people. A lot of them. In those exact words. Here. Since you apparently missed it the first time I linked it. My own family are the type of people to say that. Their church is full of people that say that. I know many people that say trans people should be mass executed. And there are a litany of examples online showing just that. Violence against trans people has exploded since trump took office. It's real and it's already resulted in deaths.
You've clearly, maliciously, intentionally misrepresented the link between child sex crimes and accusations against trans people. Unless you live under a rock, there's no doubt you've personally encountered this rhetoric online, through mainstream media, or in person. I'm not saying something that isn't well understood by plenty of people. Your own chosen party is responsible for this connection existing.
You're willfully ignorant of the politicians and party you support. You're lying to yourself to the detriment of others and if you give even half of a shit about trans people or other marginalized groups you would stop voting for them. You're a pedantic hypocrite who's unwilling to face reality and it's pathetic. Be the person your trans friend thinks you are.
That is a church and has nothing to do with the government or politicians. There will always be hateful people in the world but they don't set the policy for the nation.
No, maybe we hang in different circles, but I have never heard anyone compare trans people and raping children. I have never heard any of the people I voted for compare the two.
I am very aware of the politicians and the party I support. I have yet to see them talk about genocide. I find the whole conversation hyperbole when people talk about something that isn't happening. While people can disagree with the policy to ban hormones, the bills are about children, which is a topic I won't delve into.
Hormones are not being stopped for adults, and that would be a discussion worth having if it was going on in at a federal level or in the state I live in.