Fuck Musk. He built an entire automotive platform on the concept of "sustainable transportation" and took those on the right to task for denying climate change. NOW he's supporting the POS GOP candidate that had the audacity to call climate change a "hoax" repeatedly at the debate. Fuck you Elon!
I'll call him apartheid boy faster than anything, but this claim is largely inaccurate and needs to stop being repeated, because the truth is bad enough.
He got rich by scamming Compaq and thanks to Peter Thiel, gay fascist, kicking him out of control at PayPal.
Not only did Musk's father own part of an emerald mine, but he was given that part of ownership after allowing shady people to use the family plane to transport things without asking any difficult questions.
Not only did his own father call Elmo out on his fake "rags to riches" story, by throwing a bag of unrefined emeralds on the table.
Elmo even went as far as to state his father had a stake in an apartheid emerald mine in an interview in Forbes of 2014.
He tried to get the interview removed of course, but it still is on the Wayback Machine.
Excerpt:
JC: How do you handle fear?
EM: Company death – not succeeding with the company – causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”
Elon sold his first company, which basically just owned a single useful program, to Compaq for $300 million, riding the .com bubble.
Errol Musk's net worth is $2.5 million.
His affluence gave Musk his start but it isn't why he's a billionaire, that's due to dumb boomers paying too much for funny numbers and Peter Thiel realizing he's a moron that can't be trusted to run a company based on public perception of trustworthiness.
Ehz he didn't built an automotive platform. Other people did that, he bought it and green it mostly through controversy and by now it's quite clear that Tesla's are quite shit to own and drive.
Teslas are awesome to own and drive. It's an annoying checklist that takes an hour when you first get the car to make sure your car isn't one of the ones with the bad panels, doors that don't close nicely, etc., But you can decline the car if it has any of those things, or they fix it right away. Once you are through that part it's really a great vehicle, especially if you have a charger at home. Gad stations are super inconvenient if you think about it.
...I mean, I love my Tesla, and most people I know with one feel similarly. I'm not a fan of the way the company is run, and association with Elon makes me want to hurl these days, but I have no qualms with the cars themselves.
So I'm not saying FSD is any good, it's incomplete beta software on public roads, but considering not even a fifth of Teslas have FSD, I'd be willing to bet you've just encountered some bad drivers with a nice mix of confirmation bias...
now it’s quite clear that Tesla’s are quite shit to own and drive
By whose metric? Tesla owners have a 97% approval rating. I know tons of people that drive Teslas and they have zero maintenance other than tires and windshield wiper fluid. Hate on Elon all you want, but to assume the cars are shit because he is shit is just juvenile.
I mean I will readily accept that the internet is a fickle place and nothing is ever as black and white as it would seem but there has been a metric fucktonne of examples lately for why Teslas are just straight up bad cars. Cheap materials, poorly wired electronics, broken features, etc.
Like just casually scroll through any car subreddit or other online forum and you'll see people recording their Teslas just breaking down.
My BIL just bought one, gas is around $6/gallon in Hawaii and there is basically no mass transport. He tried to buy another EV but there was a 6-8 month wait-list. He loves the car, it is what it is. QC has improved over the past few years.
But yet they keep selling a shit ton. And if you talk to an average owner they love their Tesla. It's almost as if you are looking at a biased sample that is not representative of the vast majority of owners.
ikr who would have thought a person who had zero issues with a car would go on a car forum and complain about it? google literally any car and you'll see forums of people complaining about them. does this mean All cars are demonstrably shitty? by your metric it does. which is stupid.
lol your point is actually the opposite logic. You're so close! Only reading about complaints makes you think that car is shitty. I'm actually saying that reading about complaints on forums is a horrible way to assess car quality regardless of car make.
Brother you're comparing, using numbers from the US, a market of around 2.5 million EVs to 250 million ICE.
Of those 2.5 million EVs over 900000 were sold in 2022.
You have braindamage if you think that's a gotcha. I haven't even started filtering down to how many of those are Teslas and the actual percentages therein.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Not only is he correct that ICE fires are an order of magnitude more common PER CAR, but you are also much more likely to die in an ICE fire.
while it's probably futile arguing with someone who clearly has half a brain cell ill attempt to explain the simple maths to you.
According to a report by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), there were an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires in the United States in 2018, resulting in 560 civilian deaths, 1,500 civilian injuries, and $1.9 billion in direct property damage.
Considering that there were approximately 276 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2018 we can calculate the number of fires per million ICE vehicles:
212500 vehicle fires divided by 276,000,000
registered vehicles
×
1, 000,000
and the this = 770 fires per million ICE vehicles.
The study i previously linked you reveals an average EV fire frequency of six fires per million EVs in Australia, aligning with the global average (a million is the same outside of USA if you were unsure).
So try really really hard to understand this basic math. maybe you could get one of your more intelligent family members to explain it to you?
Additionally the skeptics guide to the universe podcast recently discussed this and they quoted very similar numbers to my search, and so maybe you'll believe a neurosurgeon over me (but I expect not given your ludicrous position on this matter)
It's not about gotchas it's about facts. maybe Google what they are too?
Also, anytime when "97%" of people agree on something it's the same as "97% of people voted for Putin, they all love him!" and you know it's pulled out of some ass or another
hilarious you're so heavily downvoted for this. there are some rabid people on here who can only see negatives. I agree Tesla's are great to drive and I know plenty of peple who own them and love them and have had zero issues, and also saved a tonne on fuel, and maintance. trying to dismiss all Teslas as garbage is just utter stupidity and honestly sounds like sour grapes to me.
Elon is a awful human and I wish with all my heart he'd have a sudden TIA. but tesla cars are not Elon musk.
ps your downvotes just serve to make my point 💪 stronger.
Maybe they're being downvoted for the ludicrous claim that a car, even an electric car, has zero maintenance issues other than tires and wiper fluid. It's not like it has zero moving parts.
Keep your enemies closer. Where do you think GOP Republicans live? Texas. What vehicles do they drive? Gas/diesel.
Call him everything he is. But he is a fantastic businessman for going to the place of most resistance and turning his worst demographic to his biggest group of followers.
I don't have access to that data. And I don't won't to be misconstrued as promoting Elon or his activities (not that you're doing that but I see the downvotes).
I'm just explaining what I think he's doing. It's what I'd pitch personally if I noticed red voters trend and visibly meme anti EV and I had obligations to shareholders I had to keep.
People are better off buying EV anyways. ICE vehicles are disgusting. I think people just like to assign large structures like businesses and folks like Elon to their political idealogies. Businesses and governments have to be larger than that because they need to serve people at the end of the day with either product or policy.
But if he's doing what you're claiming he's doing, won't all the people on the left who bought Teslas jump ship when it's time to get a new car? Even if you're right, he's still an idiot.