2d ago

You leave once the ride is over! And not a moment before!

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You have a couple of decades worth of life left to deal with. You've got an eternity to be dead, and it could suck worse. Plus, if you're a Buddhist or Hindu you're probably gonna have to go through it all again. Might as well see this ride through to the end of the line.
- What if I'm already sentenced to hell, and prolonging my life is going to lengthen/worsen my sentence due to violations of laws I am unaware of (think of The Good Place)?
  What if we're dealing with a sadistic god, who dishes out punishment proportionally to one's willingness to hold onto hope - and just ignores suicidal people because they're not worth the trouble?
  What if, as others suggested... nothing, at all?
  How did you come to the conclusion that your speculation has more weight than any Roko's Basilisk type shit I can come up with in 5 minutes just because I'm bored?
- I wish I could put you in my place and make you read that. Fuck you.
  
  Why? It's a simple risk assessment based one question:
  If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?
  And the answer is that I don't know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.
  To me, that's an unacceptable risk.
  Anything you infer or think I'm implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I've suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).
  My original statement isn't a moral or religious statement, it's just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.
  The odds that things will get better with suicide aren't in your favor. That's just a fact, kid. Don't be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.
  
  Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is often the correct one. It's a whole lot simpler that there's nothing when we die, rather than the whole afterlife business.
  
  Which, incidentally, is what the ancient Egyptian's conception of hell was:
  In order to receive judgement the dead journeyed through the various parts of the Duat to be judged. If the deceased was successfully able to pass various challenges, then they would reach the Judgment of the dead. In this ritual, the deceased's first task was to correctly address each of the forty-two Assessors of Maat by name, while reciting the sins they did not commit during their lifetime.[15] After confirming that they were sinless, the heart of the deceased was weighed by Anubis against the feather of Maat, which represents truth and justice. Any heart that is heavier than the feather failed the test, and was rejected and eaten by Ammit, the devourer of souls, as these people were denied existence after death in the Duat. The souls that were lighter than the feather would pass this most important test, and would be allowed to travel to Aaru.
  The Duat is not equivalent to the conceptions of Hell in the Abrahamic religions, in which souls are condemned with fiery torment. The absolute punishment for the wicked, in ancient Egyptian thought, was the denial of an afterlife to the deceased, ceasing to exist in the intellectual form seen through the devouring of the heart by Ammit
  One of the reasons I've decided to stick around. Plus, I just like walking like an Egyptian...
- As a counterargument I'd like to point out that when there's enough pain present you might just want to tap out.
  Especially now since one of the lovely American corporations decided to fuck up pain medication for those that truly needs it for decades at the minimum, because they just had to get that fucking profit.
  I'm not even American and I'm on about a third of what I theoretically should be. My doctors admit this, but anything more and there's a risk of malpractice bullshit.
  Hence, pain. Fuck that. I'll tap out when enough is enough.
  
  The major flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming that there's less pain on the other side. It could be better, but it could be much much worse, especially if you're carrying the regret of unfinished business left behind.
  
  Other side? I'm sure when I get there the Easter Bunny will torture me no matter what I do, as is the custom, so why think about it?
  Can someone please invent a religitard AI filter to just remove shit like this from webpages? I feel like editing out proselytizing cult sales pitches would be something AI could be great at.
  
  If there's any religion I had to adhere to it would probably be Buddhism, which I don't, really, except for the whole "we're born, we suffer and then we die" viewpoint. In that specific case it would only lead to more, albeit different suffering.
  Unless you've experienced daily pain on the side of 5+ for over a decade straight I don't really give a shit about what you think though, especially if it is because of some religious belief.
  I have a few regrets, but no unfinished business I care that much about. If he wasn't already an alcoholic wreck I'd beat the shit out of my abusive asshole of an excuse for a father, but that's about it.
  
  The simplest explanation is that it's the same as before you were born. Can you see how a religious view might lead to unnecessary suffering in this life?
  
  It's not a religious view - you folks need to take a step back and look at the argument, not your own inferences.
  
  Spoken like a true cult member.
  
  It's an unscientific view. Maybe in the afterlife you get to finally meet the Invisible Pink Unicorn, so what are you waiting for? When you weigh up all the imaginary possibilities, they add to just about zero.
  
  If it's invisible it can't be pink.
  
  Invisible just means you can't see it, not that it can't be pink. And rememeber, we're talking about a unicorn here.
  
  If you can't see it, it can't be pink, unicorn or Pegasus.
  
  You're both wrong. I've seen the unicorn and it's purple. There is only way. Follow me to the true purple Unicorn or face his wrath.
  
  You might believe there’s another side but that’s not important to this situation. You’re projecting your personal beliefs on others.
  
  Literally the entire point of my comment is "we don't know". Don't put words in other people's mouths, and understand that it's bad form to attempt to make straw man arguments when you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.
  
  "we don't know" is scientific equivalency, like
  On the one hand 99 scientists think global warming is real
  On the other hand here's a Maggat "scientist" in a red hat from Bob Jones university with a Ph.D in religious studies and geology who thinks everything is okay.
  There's nothing to indicate any human experience is not the result of biochemical processes and that brain death doesn't end consciousness.
  "We don't know" = how to tell me you're a religious cult member without telling me you're a religious cult member
  
  Well this thread has proven conclusively that atheists are just as closed minded as religious folk. I've never seen so many angry idiots argue for suicide.
  I'll spell it out one more time for you dumbfucks and then I'm blocking all your asses.
  There is no scientific consensus on what happens to the consciousness after death. Period.
  It could just end. It could also mean that you lay there helplessly experiencing the absolute pain of every cell dying, rotting and being consumed as it decays.
  It could be that you find yourself trying to justify your sins to Anubis. It could be that you end up in Valhalla.
  We simply don't know. And that makes the risk assessment of the action of suicide (as a relief from the pain of living) volatile to the point where the possible gain in pain relief isn't worth the loss of your life.
  That's it. That's my entire argument. It's not Christian, it's not scientific. It's fucking assessing a gambling risk. Grow up and get your collective heads out of your asses - the moral grandstanding because you "suspect'' I might have a religious view is fucking idiotic and obnoxious - you're no better than the Christians you think you're preaching against.
  
  lol more projection. “We don’t know” is exactly like “both sides do it”.
  
  So then do you know? Seeing as you think you're psychic and all....
  
  lol lol moving the goal posts. Now I have to PROVE my position to you while yours is the default and requires no further discussion. I haven’t had a conversation like this since I was on reddit.
  You are the definition of toxic
  
  Prove my cult beliefs are wrong! Oh, you can't? Well then they must be true.
  Whenever logic is this flawed, religion is always the rotten unseen core of the thinking.

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