You leave once the ride is over! And not a moment before!

But at some point mightn't it be time to accept that?

I’m in Oklahoma. I went in voluntary a few months ago for suicidal ideation (which I think is a rational reaction to the events of November…)

They upgraded me to involuntary illegally (like, a single therapist accused me of lying when I said I was no longer suicidal, and made the call to hold me.) I had vape smoke blown in my face, was misgendered and assaulted by staff.

I won’t call 988 or any service like that ever. There is no accountability or safety here

They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)

Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.

They do the same in the UK too

It would have. You made the right call to tell no one. I hope you are doing better and are happier.

Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.

I disagree. Life can be awful and people can make rational decisions to die.

"Mental health crisis" and "incapable of making that decision" just are ways of saying "this person must be forced to give money to the mental health system through compliance with druggings and forced in-patient care that they will be billed for."

You're likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of "them" would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.

I’m grateful someone stopped my daughter’s suicide.

Then my life goal is to make my continued existence your daily problem.

Whether out in public or in private is better, depends on context.

Although it's probably a bit beyond social media debate. When it comes down to "seeing a strangers body floating in the river" , "finding your sibling hanging in the next room" or "found at a kindergarten playground".

Then where? Not like you can walk into a funeral home and be like "Yep, I'm done, I'll take your deluxe 'End it now' package please"

From a suicidal persons pov that’s exactly what I imagine that would feel like. Also the insane amount of embarrassment from a huge crowd of people that are all there because of you. Some of whom are probably “it’s all in your head” kind of people. It is hard enough to open up and show your feelings to one trusted person, let alone an effin crowd.

That said, the guy that they saved can now say “F you and see you tomorrow” so that’s something.

i get that these people need more help than just being convinced not to do it, but in that moment isn't talking them out of it the right thing to do?

No one asked to be here.

You personally have no idea the depth of suffering another person might be experiencing and no one owes you anything at all.

Your ignorant judgment is unneeded, and unhelpful. It's not coming from a place of empathy or understanding.

You have absolutely no right to physically stop a stranger from suicide just because you think your world views trump theirs.

For that matter you have no right to physically force anyone to do anything that isn't harming a 3rd party.

You see yourself as a hero but your attitude is truly selfish and disgusting.

Why? It's a simple risk assessment based one question:

If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?

And the answer is that I don't know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.

To me, that's an unacceptable risk.

Anything you infer or think I'm implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I've suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).

My original statement isn't a moral or religious statement, it's just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.

The odds that things will get better with suicide aren't in your favor. That's just a fact, kid. Don't be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.

The major flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming that there's less pain on the other side. It could be better, but it could be much much worse, especially if you're carrying the regret of unfinished business left behind.