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I'm pretty sure everyone at lemm.ee is cool with y'all. I'm still not super sure why other instances want to defederate with you tbh lol
Well I am not cool with y'all. How you treat people whose opinions you don't agree with can definitely be improved.
Lmao we treat people with differing opinions completely fine. Hexbear isn't a monolith.
We just dont tolerate debatebros. I have yet to see someone engaging in good-faith discussion being mistreated.Smug gotchas, refusing to engage in the arguments you're presented with, choosing condescention and the like gets you rightly treated like a condescending dickbag. Civil discussion is a two-way street.
I never refused to engage in the arguments. I almost always replies back with thoughtful arguments.
Lmao "thoughtful arguments" is when you completely ignore what is written and instead start talking about your opinion or the possibility something might be happening despite all evidence to the contrary.
There's nothing thoughtful about your argument.
You've also admitted you're just trolling, so this is just really sad.You have failed to engage https://hexbear.net/comment/3830376 and after this you kept spewwing the now debunked claims.
You have failed to engage zommeristleninist and cynestesia https://hexbear.net/comment/3830634https://hexbear.net/comment/3832154 antioutsideaktion.
https://hexbear.net/comment/3832142
From what I see the entirety of Hexbears are "debatebros." They also hold one unified opinion. I have also tried to engage in good faith discussion but some Hexbears kept spamming self-important emojis that made me felt like my good faith wasn't being seen. Then I kinda became like the average Hexbear for commenting out of bad faith. I apologize for that.
Your good faith? Last time I saw you engage you ignored every source posted and either didn't engage or went on about what you felt like or how there's a possibility despite there clearly never having been one.
You aren't acting in good faith.
If you wanna talk about possibilities a genocide might be occuring you'd have a lot more material to work with if you used the US or France or Ukraine. You didn't though because you don't actually give a shit about genocide, you're just propagandised to hate China.are you mad that you were wrong abt China? and that the only sources you had to back you up were Wikipedia and the fascist propagandist Adrian Zenz?
Last time I checked you had ignored severe users posting clear and concise arguments as well as well-sourced claims, instead choosing to be condescending. When you engaged with those users you ignored their sources and arguments, instead talking about what you felt like was happening or that your opinion should be respected - despite your opinion being one of propagating long since debunked misinformation.
Your *opinion isn't inherently one that deserves respect
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I am not "deliberately trying to start shit with hexbear." I did not defend war crime denialism. You guys are the ones defending the genocide against Uyghurs by China. You guys are defending the hostile acts of Russia. You guys are always attacking anything that is against the interests of socialist nations, regardless of how autocratic the regime is.
I also did not defend Nazi apologia. That is a very serious but untrue allegation that I would like to refute.
If you put yourself in shoes of the rest of the Lemmy users, you would find that Hexbears also sound like they are "deliberately trying to start shit."
A UN Resolution of global south nations: https://web.archive.org/web/20220210055246/https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
We express our firm opposition to relevant countries’ practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries. We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.
World Bank Investigation of Xinjiang: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly...The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations.
Organization of Islamic Cooperation praises Chinese handling of Xinjiang: https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
Egyptian media delegates visit Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang
The recently published report also brings forth some interesting facts related to the religious freedom as opposed to the western propaganda. The report provides a strong testimonial by the visiting delegates who clearly state, “the in houses of worship such as the Id Kah Mosque in Kashgar, modern facilities abound, providing water, electricity and air conditioning. Local clerics told the visitors that their religious activities had been very well protected”. "The conditions here are very good," said Abdelhalim Elwerdany, of Egypt's Al-Gomhuria newspaper. "I could feel that local Muslims fully enjoy religious freedom."
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Is denying the genocide against Uyghurs (which several Hexbears did) really that much better than defending Nazis (which I did not do)?
You can't just say "genocide denial" and pretend you've won the argument. You first have to actually provide proof of the genocide happening. I could also say "the Dutch are being genocided as we speak" and then call you a genocide denier when you say that's preposterous.
It's strange how elusive the proof for this supposed genocide is.
There is no genocide against the Uyghurs and continuing to lie about it is the holocaust denial you're being accused of. You're diminishing the term 'genocide' and making what the nazis did look as comparatively harmless as what China is doing. You're doing PR for the nazis by making their crimes look less serious.
But you've had this explained to you a thousand times. You know what you're doing. You're doing it because that's your goal, clearly.
You are doing PR for the Chinese Communist Party. I have nothing against communism, what I am against is their dictatorship.
My goal is to... well I don't really have a goal. All I want to do is to make my opinions heard just like you are.
You should honestly investigate how democracy actually works in China - You'll find that they have far more votes and actual choices for their officials than you ever have, and the approval rate of the government, even when anonymously/independently surveyed, is almost certainly higher than your country's.
I honestly find it hard to believe that there is any degree of democracy in a country where the government regularly silences words on its social media. The local officials (the mayor, legislators, and the president) where I live are all elected and I'm pretty sure that's already more than what China has. Their high approval rate is due to the fact that people don't know that their government can be better.
The local officials (the mayor, legislators, and the president) where I live are all elected and I'm pretty sure that's already more than what China has
I think what I said is still true.
There's a lot of handwaving in your reply that China's population are just ignorant and censorship exists therefore its bad, based on little info. All Western countries also have major systems of censorship on social media. The majority of people in China have access to the internet via unfiltered VPNs - they have basically as much free access to information as you do.
Your opinion doesn't deserve to be heard though. You're calling China a dictatorship. You haven't done any investigation into the thing you're talking about and are therefore speaking nonsense. Why do you want your opinion to be heard so badly? Have you done so much work on it that you're proud to show it off to others?
I am not deliberately starting shit. All I'm doing is engaging in discussions by leaving replies to comments I don't agree with. From my observation, this is also what many Hexbears are doing. When Hexbears do this, it's fine because they "don't have downvotes" and "have been very active for 3 years." When I do this, apparently I am "deliberately starting shit."
I am well aware of the fact that my post and comment history is public.
I did not defend the apologia by Zenz. You are deliberately misinterpreting my words. What I said was although his apologia were unacceptable, that does not invalidate his opinions on other topics. To make it extra clear, I did not defend the apologia by Zenz. I also do not condone what the Nazis did. What you said in your comment is slander and hurts my reputation. I would like to politely request that you take down the allegations.
Though Lee Teng-hui did deny the Rape of Nanking, the "war crime denier" was the first democratically elected president of Taiwan, which makes him one of the pivotal figures in the history of Taiwan. I certainly don't agree with his viewpoints on the Rape of Nanking, but I still respect him just for the fact that he brought change to the political landscape in Taiwan.
What's the difference? Your reputation is already shit.
Hexbear's reputation is worse though. Look at how many instances decided to defederate from you.
you look how many of them are still federated with nazis and transphobes and tell us again how sad it is those freaks defederated
I love how you guys are intentionally ignorant of the mainstream opinion about Hexbear. You look at the servers you got defederated from, talk shit about them, and pretend that you have not lost anything of value. This is the ultimate sour grapes mentality.
again, aww boo hoo all the most reactionary instances defederated from us waaahh
Aww boo hol we don't get to interact with libs like you that spread misinformation long after they're been showed to be liars? We don't get to interact with more people like you that thinks they're deserving of respect despite acting in bad faith themselves? We don't get to interact with idiots like you that somehow think an opinion based on nothing but lies and hearsay is something that should be respected? That's really too bad
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I did not defend Nazi apologia. I did defend Zenz on his opinions about the genocide against Uyghurs in China.
His opinions about the "genocide"? The fact that you recognise that they are entirely opinions and not facts just shows how inauthentic the claims are.
Not his. Theirs. The opinion of the majority of the WaPo team.
That's not what "I did defend Zenz on his opinions" means at all. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you'll lie about what you said only a few centimetres away?
Who gives a shit about some dudes opinions about the misinformation he's spreading?
Apparently both the WaPo and I do.
Neat! I personally give a shit about facts rather than what some dumbass loser thinks might be happening despite all evidence to the contrary. The Washington Post is a rag owned by Jeff Bezos, acting like it is in any way reputable is laughable
Yes, some of my comments are done with the aim of making hexbear look bad. But ultimately what's the difference? You already look bad.
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A Hexbear calling me out for being a troll? Calling my claims rooted on dishonest bullshit? Wow.
It's funny because calling you out on your dishonest and racist shit is the original source of your grudge against us
Now you come to our site for the explicit and sole reason of starting shit with us
And you act indignant at being called out for your behavior once again and act like you're vnidicated
you should stop making ad hominem attacks and instead watch this countdown for an important message then click the spoiler below afterwards
Don't click until the 60 seconds are up, silly!
Ad nom on deez nutz ayy lmao
democratically elected president of Taiwan
lmao
Did I say anything wrong? Was the process democratic? Yes. Was he elected? Yes. Was his title "president"? Yes. Did this happen in Taiwan? Also yes.
By this same logic, Xi is the democratically elected leader of China but for some reason you keep calling it a dictatorship
No? Xi does not even claim himself to be democratically elected by the citizens.
By the citizens? You didn't say that part lol. That disqualifies the U.S. as a democracy.