If you would start again, how would you do it?
If you would start again, how would you do it?
It seems that there are a lot of things to consider before even buying the first smart device. How would you start when you would start over?
Are there any good beginner guides that helped you?
Important points for me are
- privacy (everything should be local, no Alexa-Karens in my home)
- use of open source/free software
- a good variety of smart things I can use (I don't want to be tied Apple-like to only one company)
Is there a golden way to build a smart home with these factors in mind?
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Okay!
Like everyone else “locally” managed devices are 1000x better, faster, more reliable, and less intrusive.
So I’d skip the cheap wifi devices and go straight to matter/thread as that new stuff is a better idea. It’s still in its infancy soooo tough call, for now I’m going “zig bee” and “zwave “ for new devices, but I hope to switch to “matter/thread” someday.
I hate the wall warts, but they’re useful in some places, it’s all about the light switches. When you replace them, everything still works the way you expect and you can automate on top. You don’t want things to “not work” the way people would normally expect them to, so smart bulbs and smart or remoted ceiling fans are a no-go for me.
The system is mostly novelty until you get to the third iteration.
First stage is just “Hey I can attach this to my phone and that’s cool”
Second stage is “voice automation and routines”. This stage you start to automate cool things so that it works more efficiently and the house can have some cool automation that makes things a little easier and allows for “hey siri” parlour tricks.
Third stage is where it gets fun but requires some thought and stability on your system. Now you’re into presence location and motion. I’m just at the beginning of this one now. This is where you start to forget that light switches exist. You no longer ask the voice assistant for almost anything because the lux and presence sensor in your kitchen knows that if there’s not enough light and you’re in the kitchen, the lights should just be on. The motion sensor on your “under cabinet” lighting knows that you’re working at the counter and it should just be on.
Stage 3 is the sweet spot because it just exists and makes sense and you find yourself forgetting that light switches exist into something breaks.
I found that I hate battery motion sensors.
That was a learning for me.
Most people don’t quite get there…. They allow the voice assistants to do some little work for them and then it just gets annoying because the day to day life hasn’t changed enough to warrant the effort that was put into it.
Being able to just forget that light switches are a thing is marvellous and you don’t really feel it until you’re at a friends house and mildly annoyed that the lights need to be touched.
…. And then you realize how little you’ve had to think about stupidities in your day to day because from a functional perspective, they no longer exist.
It’s about putting in the extra effort in the final steps and that’s hard to desire once the parkour tricks work.
Also….. the wall panels are SUPER cool, but mostly unnecessary once you hit iteration 3.
There’s nothing you need to touch!
So they’re great for “displays” or “cam views” at that point.
I've got a bulb based system, but I have switches that will operate without Internet. I don't want to rely on my phone for everything if my Internet is out.
The bulb based system is painful when you hit a normal light switch and it doesn’t do what you expect it to do because the bulb is “intelligent”
Depends on scénario really, but yeah I’m getting away from “internet dependant”
I rent, so I can't change switches. Luckily some of the switches I have cover traditional switches.
Fair enough!
I've also learned that I can't stand battery operated motion sensors!
Have you found any plug-in motion sensors that you use instead? It looks like they are generally much more expensive than the battery powered ones, which doesn't make any sense to me.
I have! The Tuya zigbee presence sensors.
They are WAY better because they detect presence rather than motion, so they stay on even if you’re not moving.
The m100 Check if you’re getting the 5ghz or 22ghz
Not sure which I recommend, I’m waiting on the 22’s now for a room that’s bigger than 6M
The 5ghz’s can’t sense more than 6 metres
These are using mmWave radar, so look for those type of devices if you want sensors that can detect whether you're in the room while stationary. Most of the cheap sensors use PIR which only detects motion.
That’s correct! I actually work in the mmW radar field, it’s super fun!
I started with a bunch of cloud connected expensive wifi devices that would have all sorts of issues on the consumer crap wifi router I had at the time.
The amount of money I spent on those devices would have been much, much better spent on something non IP based like zigbee or zwave devices with a hardwired hub.
These days I finally have a more pro grade network setup that handles all the Wi-Fi IOT devices I have just fine, but it could have been so, so much simpler.
I always had the high end network, and I still hate them.
Wemo devices randomly stop working, tplink devices don’t give you access to all of the controls/data, myQ just decided to shit the bed, Tuya intermittently shits the bed, all the management apps and their separate credentials are a fucking pain, the integrations are painful and numerous and my zigbee/zwave just keep trucking along.
I started with a bunch of Tuya devices that are almost all flashed over to tasmota etc. by now.
What really got me to actually start with home assistant though, is the exterior blinds controllers I bought. They kept losing wifi after a few days until I rebooted them, but they were hardwired, so every day I would have to turn off a circuit in my house with everything connected to it.
I flashed them with openbeken OTA and now they almost always work and, even if they didnt, they have already rebooted and are working again.