Lemmy libs are now posting kyivpost as if it's an actual news source. These are the same people who screech about Russian propaganda when they see articles from places like NYT and WSJ.

Expected? By whom? Liberals seems to expect millions because they as usual projected the US army standard. I said America not because some kind of dreaded whataboutism or deflections, i used that example because as foremost warmonger on the planet they do set up the standard of contemporary warfare, which is to bomb everything, drone weddings, burn cities with white phosphorus, poison the earth and people with defoliants and depleted uranium, drop millions of bombs that kill people even decades later... yet no one else except their puppets seem to even want to get close to that standard. And look, they are sending the same shit to Ukraine.

Bucha is a red herring. The event was thoroughly investigated the very day after it was suddenly mediatized, and two pieces of evidence stick out:

1. The mayor of Bucha, when UA retook control of the city, made no reference to any mass murders or anything. He certainly would have mentioned it if he knew about it.
2. Videos were filmed shortly (a day or two) also before UA retook the city, and there were no bodies in the streets.

These civilians were killed by Ukraine. They didn't publicize it right after they retook the city, it took them a few days to talk about it -- plenty of time to commit a massacre. There's more inconsistencies but these are the two big ones to me. Like some people raised the problem that the bodies looked very fresh (and that nobody talked about the massacre online before UA retook the city), when the official narrative was that the massacre was committed a month before.

edit: as for mass graves, one of them I believe to have been made by Ukraine. I couldn't tell you which one exactly though at this time, but Esha K. talked about it on twitter. Russia had made proper graves and even brought UA POWs to witness the processions. They filmed everything and that's why I mentioned Esha, she has the video on her twitter somewhere. They had also offered to send the bodies to Ukraine for proper burial, which Ukraine refused. So they buried these soldiers themselves. Ukraine then opened the graves and threw the bodies in a mass grave to once again pin something on Russia.

Remember that Ukraine has committed verifiable war crimes (they boast about them) in just the first months of the war, I posted about this before trying to keep track of them.

There was another red herring, a woman supposedly wearing nail polish, which NAFO trolls jumped on to claim she was a civilian, but there are women in the UA army and they're allowed to wear nail polish like you don't stop wearing it just because you're a soldier. So it doesn't mean anything.