Musk wanted to use Tesla cameras to spy on drivers and win autopilot lawsuits
Musk wanted to use Tesla cameras to spy on drivers and win autopilot lawsuits
The revelation comes from the new Elon Musk biography, where he suggested that cabin cameras be used to prevail in autopilot investigations.
Elon Musk pushed to use Tesla’s internal driver monitoring camera to record video of drivers’ behavior, primarily for Tesla to use this video as evidence to defend itself from investigations in the event of a crash, according to Walter Isaacson’s new biography of the Tesla CEO.
Walter Isaacson’s biography of Elon Musk is out, resulting in several revelations about Tesla’s past, present, and future. One of these revelations is a potential use for the Tesla internal driver monitoring camera that is included on current Teslas.
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Good for him. People lie all the damn time, and all I want to know is who is actually at fault, the car or the idiot driver.
Yes because there is no possible way or incentive to abuse such a technology.
Like how?
Aside from invasion of privacy, potential for blackmail, letting your car testify against you, fraudulent time stamps/metadata, modified video ….. how about the simple case where proving you didn’t have hands on the wheel should not let the manufacturer off the hook of the car was faulty. Letting them spy on you just lets them shift the lawsuit from whether they’re at fault to whether you c plied with the fine print, from whether the car effed up, to arguing about your mannerisms
Hyperbole.
The spying thing would go nowhere fast and get them sued into oblivion.
how about the simple case where proving you didn’t have hands on the wheel should not let the manufacturer off the hook of the car was faulty
How would proving a person lied and the car was not at fault be letting the manufacturer off the hook? Are you seriously saying you’d rather all of the technology get stifled and stunted just because one person lied and created a media storm of bullshit?
All of human progress on this would get shut down and sent back to the dark ages just because you didn’t want a company to reveal the truth.
Yeah, no thanks. People can’t be trusted so I say this as a Tesla driver and technology lover, “spy” on us as much as you can to find the truth.
*edit, I love how even after all the downvotes nobody could answer the simplest question of how proving someone lied would be letting the manufacturer off the hook. “Well ya see, money, you were able to garner the truth, and I took that personally because TeSLa should always be at fault…for rEaSOns”
Please, try to be less transparent about where your emotional reactions are coming from. 🤣🤪
Lmao "tesla" and "human progress".
Yeah then go ahead and let the car spy on you. Let the country implement good citizen scores while we are at it.
Privacy is a human right, and an internal camera is pointless to the "progress" you are talking about. It's there to catch you out on a technicality to deny a settlement when the "self driving car" cripples you.
You are not entitled to privacy in public spaces while out and about though, and if you purchase a car with a camera in it then you’re explicitly allowing its usage on you while in said car.
You guys are all, what, like 15 years old or something? Like, holy shit, forget the name of the company for a second and just think reasonably about how any of this stuff works.
Yup, I've thought long and hard how all of this works Works in a very simple way - company is installing cameras in cars to get rid of any semblence of privacy. Shills defend it as "technological progress". People like me laugh at them and will never buy a car they shill for.
Sounds like the free market at work! Good for you.
Sounds like you may have had enough internet today
no privacy in public spaces
That’s an American thing and you’re an idiot for accepting this. In Europe we have privacy.
But between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees privately shared via an internal messaging system
Oh no!
Anyways…
But between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees privately shared via an internal messaging system sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car cameras, according to interviews by Reuters with nine former employees.
Some of the recordings caught Tesla customers in embarrassing situations. One ex-employee described a video of a man approaching a vehicle completely naked.
Selectively edit out the parts that completely destroy your argument...stop insulting the community.
Selectively edit out the parts that completely destroy your argument...stop insulting the community.
Not highlighting the entire article is probably a sin to you as well. I stopped because those parts aren’t any different, you doofus.
You guys are just making something out of nothing and I will go dance naked around my Tesla, happily.
I would much rather the car catch someone lying that’s trying to slow the progress of a technology that will save so many lives than I would ever care about being a raindrop in an ocean of recordings.
Just wait till you find out about all the other cameras outside recording you, or that thing in your pocket listening to you.
Bring on big brother already, humans have proven over and over again they can’t be trusted with each other, I’d rather be watched and find that lost or kidnapped kid than live in a world where they get raped because you are all like “mUH pRiVACY”.
You thought 1984 described utopia didn't you?
The cameras won't be on when YOU need them.
Thankfully I don’t give in to reactionary fear mongering, being a normal human being.
But you do you! You do it so well, why stop now?
Hearsay from ex-employees do not equal proof, though.
You asked how it can be abused. This is one way it can be abused.
If it's computer, it can be hacked. Doesn't have to be the car company itself that does the spying, though considering the track record of American companies, it wouldn't surprise me. It could be you local police department, your distrustful partner, etc...
“This is one way it can be abused”
And what is this exactly? You never provided a valid example of anything…
Then I would suggest you to re-read the article and spend a minute to think about how that relates to how the technology can be abused. I'm not sure I can make it more obvious, and honestly if feels like you don't understand it in bad faith.
Again, hearsay is not proof of anything my guy, so you've not provided anything that proves your hypothetical abuse.
You asked how it can be done
You mean the same way Tesla autopilot would deactivate one second before a crash so they could argue in court that it wasn’t active and therefore not responsible. There was legislation proposed to stipulate that a self driving car was at least partially responsible if it was used up to 30 seconds prior to a crash to prevent this dickish behavior from Tesla.