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Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

www.reuters.com Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

U.N. human rights officials said Israel's strikes on the Jabalia refugee camp could be war crimes.

Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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I had somebody tell me yesterday that this refugee camp is in fact a city.
As if bombing a city is better.
- There is both a city and a refigee camp inside the city with the same name.
- War sucks. Belligerent cities are often bombed. Civilians always suffer. This is the inevitable consequence of that city's government slaughtering hundreds of civilians of a state with superior military capabilities; I'm not sure what they thought would happen.
  
  New euphemism dropped: "Belligerent cities" is the new refugee camp.
  
  I'm not sure you know what some of those words mean.
  
  New euphemism dropped: “Belligerent cities” is the new refugee camp.
  Gaza's government attacked Israel in an act of war. This means they are a belligerent against Israel in this conflict. The population centers they control, aka, cities, are being attacked in response. I'm not using a euphemism, I'm calling this exactly what it is.
  
  Unless the people of the city are the same as the government, I don't see how you can say the population is belligerent. I don't think we should say the Israeli citizens are belligerent because their government funded Hamas and are doing a genocide.
  
  Unless the people of the city are the same as the government, I don’t see how you can say the population is belligerent. I don’t think we should say the Israeli citizens are belligerent because their government funded Hamas and are doing a genocide.
  Huh? Israel is indeed belligerent, because they are at war. It seems like you don't know what this word means.
  
  I think there are two issues:
  "Belligerent" has more than one meaning, and people are being tongue-in-cheek using it as an adjective rather than a noun.
  Generally, the noun refers to combatants, not civilians, because deliberately killing civilians isn't just an inevitable part of war, it is a war crime (no matter whatever context you think justifies accepting civilians as collateral damage).
  
  Generally, the noun refers to combatants
  ...or in this case, a nation and its territories
  deliberately killing civilians isn’t just an inevitable part of war, it is a war crime (no matter whatever context you think justifies accepting civilians as collateral damage).
  killing civilians is deliberate
  killing civilians is collateral damage
  Pick one.
  
  You could literally take your statement reverse the attacker and defender, and use it for the October 7th attack.
  Either your truly neutral, or you have an agenda. If your neutral, I applaud you and your commitment to pointing out each sides wrongs.
  If you have an agenda, justifying an attack in such a way that it justifies reprisal attacks just invites infinite justified violence
  
  Sure and you can use that as to why Hamas did what they did.
  
  Sure, but it's Gaza being bombed now. So should have tried a different approach probably.
  
  Ah yeah, people being actively ethnically cleansed should just sit back and accept their fate.
  SURELY there is NOT ONE SINGLE thing Israelis did to provoke Oct. 7 attacks.
  Oh yeah, it wasn’t just ONE SINGLE THING. It was THOUSANDS OF THINGS. Those things being war crimes committed against Palestinians. And not just recently, it has happened for decades.
  
  Ah yeah, people being actively ethnically cleansed should just sit back and accept their fate.
  SURELY there is NOT ONE SINGLE thing Israelis did to provoke Oct. 7 attacks.
  It was THOUSANDS OF THINGS. ... for decades
  Rage and violence won't change Gaza's realpolitik situation, it will make things worse.
  All the perceived historical grievances in the world won't change Gaza's realpolitik situation.
  They cannot win through violence. They will lose everything if they insist on it. I'm saying Palestinians should instead try pacification and diplomacy, it is the only viable path to peace where they have hope of achieving some objectives that are important to them. Ignoring the fundamental realities of their situation brought them to here.
  
  What would a nation do if their lands keep getting seized, your people marginalised, your plight ignored by almost all countries?
  
  Sue for peace, accept the least terrible terms you can.
  At one time Palestinians had so much support all their neighbors went to war for them, this goodwill appears to have since evaporated due to their behaviors and unwillingness to compromise. Now they are just being used as convenient pawns against Israel, as their lands ebb away. If they are to to be free and autonomous once again I don't see any other viable path.
  
  It's nice to be able to tag people who support oppression and ethnic cleansing.

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