Senator Warren calls out Apple for shutting down Beeper's 'iMessage to Android' solution
Senator Warren calls out Apple for shutting down Beeper's 'iMessage to Android' solution
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is throwing her weight behind Beeper, the app that allowed Android users to message iPhone users via iMessage,
Senator Warren calls out Apple for shutting down Beeper's 'iMessage to Android' solution::U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is throwing her weight behind Beeper, the app that allowed Android users to message iPhone users via iMessage,
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Apple is a private company what business does the gov have here?
The US is not a libertarian society. Private businesses play within the guardrails set by the people and their elected representatives.
Same reason the EU forced apple to change to usb-c. It benefits consumers.
Apple is already adopting RCS. There’s no benefit here other than to spammers looking for a backdoor into iMessage.
You seem confident about "no benefit here". Are you sure about that or is that the flavor of the boot polish that you are tasting?
Also, "backdoor into iMessage", wtf?
Proprietary, closed source, third-party software that hasn’t been audited by a third party, that’s hooking into another proprietary protocol without the owner of said protocol’s approval.
Sounds to me like Apple fixed a security vulnerability they were exploiting to gain access to the platform. Honestly it reminds me of Microsoft and AOL with the AIM and MSN Messenger wars. I believe AIM used a buffer overflow on purpose for authentication, despite it being a serious security vulnerability.
Sounds to me like Apple fixed a security vulnerability
No, the protocol to send messenges was reversed engineered. That doesn't grant access to any sensitive information whatsoever.
Neither Apple, nor anyone in any of these threads can name even one hypothetical reason this would be a security vulnerability.
The 1 and only reason for Apple to do this is so that you need to give them money for blue bubbles.
Figuring out how the chat protocol works is very different than breaking into a protected server, which many people seem to think happened.
Of course Apple doesn't want others to access the iMessage protocol. It's part of their walled garden. They can claim it's a secure protocol because they have full control over it. An application like Beeper gaining access undermines this.
Beeper doesn't access some sort of global repository of messages, but we've no idea what Beeper does with the conversations that are had via their clients. With iMessages you trust Apple, feel about that how you will, with Beeper you trust whoever is in charge of that.
Beeper is never going to last anyway. If they manage to regain access to iMessages, Apple will just update the protocol to reject them again. With Apple implementing RCS there's not really any point in applying legal pressure on Apple to open up their platform either.
They can claim it's a secure protocol because they have full control over it. An application like Beeper gaining access undermines this.
You're not explaining how it makes it more secure, you're simply restating the claim that it does.
Neither Apple, nor anyone here, can give one precise example of how this would make anything more secure.
we've no idea what Beeper does with the conversations that are had via their clients.
Same for any iMessage user. I could share a secret with another iPhone user, and they could immediately screenshot it and share it.
Apple could release their own iMessage client for Android if this were really about trusting beeper, but it's not. It's about using peer pressure with blue bubbles to sell more iPhones.
Just hopping on to concur:
"Apple could release their own iMessage client for Android if this were really about trusting beeper, but it's not. It's about using peer pressure with blue bubbles to sell more iPhones."
It's just that simple (and offensive).
They can claim it’s a secure protocol because they have full control over it. An application like Beeper gaining access undermines this.
Claiming their protocol is "security by obscurity" would not be the win for them you think it is.
Sounds to me like Apple fixed a security vulnerability
Then you don't understand what you're talking about.
They figured out a communication protocol, they didn't hack into encrypted files.
All of this has already played out before, some ~20 years ago. Microsoft wanted MSN Messenger to be compatible with AOL's Instant Messenger, so they reverse-engineered the protocol, only for AOL to update it, breaking the compatibility. It went back and forth until Microsoft revealed that AOL was using a buffer overrun exploit in their client to do remote code injection in order to authenticate the client.
Apple will never allow Beeper to exist; there's no point investing any time or money into it as whenever they manage to sneak back in, Apple will boot them back out. Perhaps some sort of legislation will fall in place forcing Apple's platform open, but given that they're implementing RCS I somehow doubt it.
Further, we know nothing about Beeper as a platform. It can/could speak with iMessages, but then what? How do we know it's secure? Because the owner of the product says so?
If the idea is to get secure and encrypted messaging between an iOS and an Android user, why not go for something like Signal that's open source?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
All of this has already played out before, some ~20 years ago.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Ever heard of anti-trust?
Companies and Corporations are a creation of the government. The government creates the rules and legal structures that makes their existence possible. Without the government to create corporations there would only be individuals doing business. The individual would be personally responsible for any harm the business may cause.
Corporations take that responsibility away from the owners. But it doesn't disappear. In effect, the behavior of corporations are now the responsibility of the government. Much like the actions of a child are the responsibility of the parent.
So to answer your question, the government as all the business of regulating Apple, and making sure they do the right thing.
Sovereignty over territory Apple chose to conduct business in.