‘I am a Zionist,’ says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel
‘I am a Zionist,’ says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel
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I bet Genocide Joe has polling data showing that Muslim and Arab Americans are negligible and he decided to throw them under the bus. Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them.
What genocide is Joe Biden responsible for?
The one happening right now in Gaza
That's Netanyahu.
With full political, financial and military backing of the US.
In any decent law book, they would be at least an accessory to genocide.
he is to the right of many of them.
Prove it.
points at objective reality
Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.
Also you're commenting on an article quoting him bragging about how much he supports it, I know liberals are pretty experienced in ignoring what Biden says so they can pretend he's more progressive but like, what do you mean prove it your commenting on an article where he said it.
points at objective reality
These things are not self-evident. Y'all over at hexbear seem to be the only ones that think it is.
Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border...
Right, so them calling for a stop doesn't mean shit. They don't care about the genocide. It's just a convenient political tool for their pet issues.
...but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.
And who was it that secured a temporary ceasefire and has been working to secure a permanent one? Oh, that's right. Joe Biden.
Also vis a vis the article, this is the second paragraph:
Speaking at the reception, the president says the US will “continue to provide military assistance to Israel until they get rid of Hamas, but we have to be careful — they have to be careful. The whole world’s public opinion can shift overnight, we can’t let that happen.”
Translation: "Don't (continue) commit(ing) warcrimes, or I won't be able to support you."
As for "prove it," saying Biden is "to the right of many Republicans" needs evidence. Last I checked, they were trying to impeach him by any means necessary. A claim is not evidence.
Obviously the only ideology in either case is fealty to capital, but Republicans blocking Joe's attempt at getting Israel more funding is objectively at least slightly to the left of getting Israel more funding, meanwhile anyone can tell you that "try to get the other guy's President impeached" has become an increasingly regular feature of political theater, and yet you use motivated reasoning to say that the former doesn't count while the latter is indicative of an ideological divide and not just a way that parties now like promoting their brand.
I don't particularly respect galaxybrained takes about Republicans somehow being overall more progressive than Dems, but pretending that Dems are progressive is just sad.
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THIS is what a proper, pondered reply looks like. Whether it is agreeable or not, it addresses the original point made and makes an effort, in good faith, to justify his position.
We're on the internet, none of this is real. Go touch grass, nerd.
Non sequitur, ad hominem, infantile response.
The locus of discussions doesn't affect argumentation.
Touch grass
Very insightful, thank you.
x2 combo!You're truly persistent, but I couldn't possibly accept it. Let me tell you what - how about you enjoy it by yourself?
good lord you're a dork
Sorry we weren't polite enough to you while you were defending concentration camps
Yet another display of your intellectual dishonesty, as you're talking to someone who's openly a democratic marxist communist. Instead of deflecting and using ad hominem attacks, you could instead focus on trying to understand things and why people have different opinions.
To be clear didn't read any of that horseshit past your first sentence because clearly it would be a waste of time.
So everybody has an idea of how much energy to waste trying to have conversations with you I wan a make this really clear. Are you saying there is no objective way to know whether or not Biden said he is a zionist who will fully support Isreal here?
Because if that's the case I think you're confusing "objective reality" for "literacy"
Because we're literally commenting on an article that directly quotes Joe Biden as saying that.
So unless you're saying what Biden says has no connection to reality (you could probably get somewhere with this but pretty sure that's not your point) not really sure what you're backup is.
Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.
His argumentation was clear in that it was directed at questioning one, and only one, attribute mentioned by you, specifically:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
You, on the other hand, argued for:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
Which is neither valid as a reply, nor is it relevant to the raised issue.
I would give you a swirly, given the opportunity
Try if you wish... there's a lot of muscle for you to go against.
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You do realise this only makes you look more childish, yes?
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
absolutely, but it's funny to me. No serious offense intended, friend
How kind of you to offer, but I'm not interested in that. My relationships with people on the internet are strictly platonic.
Marvel is not real life
Astute observation.
What does "Zionist" mean to Joe Biden? Have you considered whether you're using the same definition? Because my progressive grandparents, both a little older than him, called themselves "Zionists" but did not support Israel or their colonialism/genocide.
According to 90% of both parties in the house criticism of the state of Isreal is anti semitism so if you wanna get mad at somebody for conflating terms go yell at a liberal.
Also love that you're trying the argument that him saying he's a zionist doesn't necessarily mean he supports what Isreal is doing, conveniently ignoring the second half of his sentence was "which is why I will continue to support Isreal in what they are doing"
Also just so you know when you come in here, insist we have to vote for Biden, say that Biden saying "I'm a zionist which is why I will continue to support isreals war" doesn't mean that Biden supports what Isreal is doing, tell us to go fuck ourselves, and then tell us we dont understand how anything works that just confirms everybody already pretty firmly held beliefs that you're full of shit and not worth engaging with, and deffinitly not worth supporting your candidates.
Do you know what the word "context" means? Because the beginning of the statement talked about Hamas.
Hamas ≠ Palestine. I'm sorry that's difficult for you to grasp, but we can't simply ignore it, like you.
Quiet, liberal. The adults are talking.
Discrediting of opinion isn't a valid path of argumentation. Don't lower yourself to the tatics of the right simply because it's easy... (unless it's a lost case, like a Nazi. Then it becomes justified).
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