Controllers are good for FPS games, especially on PC, and we have to stop pretending like they’re not

Every time someone brings up a controller vs mouse and keyboard, most of if not all comments will push towards the OP to “switch to mouse and keyboard” because “it’s better!”

In my eyes, the person is already accustomed to controller, they’re used to the sensitivity, and if not it’s a quick change.

If they’re going to get used to mouse and keyboard they need to:

find a reasonable mouse
find a reasonable mousepad for their situation
find out if they’re a wrist aimer or an arm aimer
make sure their windows mouse sensitivity is set to 6/11 for some reason otherwise everything else will be messed up
find their “optimal sensitivity” many of which tutorials are (subjectively) hard to find (the good ones)

I’m both a controller and mouse and keyboard user but I find it easier to aim with a controller. It feels natural.

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I’m both a controller and mouse and keyboard user but I find it easier to aim with a controller. It feels natural.

This is fine. You can have a preference. The rest of your post, however, is objectively incorrect, or at best misleading.

For example, in order for me, a keyboard and mouse user, to get used to a controller, I would need to:

Find a reasonable controller

Find out how I can best grip the controller for my use case

Make sure the game's controller sensitivity is set correctly for my use case

See how that's basically the same arguments you are making against using a K&M?

Also, there have been FPS competitions where people with controllers go absolutely demolished by K&M players. When it comes to competitive FPS gaming, K&M has large advantages over controllers. Even some single-player console FPS games have enabled auto-aim by default, and left the setting disabled by default on PC for K&M players, because using a controller is more difficult than a K&M for FPS.
- Even some single-player console FPS games have enabled auto-aim by default, and left the setting disabled by default on PC for K&M players, because using a controller is more difficult than a K&M for FPS.
  
  Single player games often have auto-aim when you aim down sight and have multiplayer games have Aim Assist. In COD/Warzone, controller players have an advantage over KB/M due to how strong the aim assist is.
  
  Controllers aren't good for FPS, they need a handicap.
- Mate, chill out. OP said ""If people are used to a controller, they should use that, rather than trying to find a k&m setup that suits them."
  
  You said "Oh my god, why, then, should I try to find a controller setup that suits me?!?"
  
  I mean, c'mon
  
  OP posted on c/unpopular opinion. I think they are looking for a discussion/debate about their opinion. They can use whatever they feel like using. There is (was?) a Twitch channel that used a fish's location in its aquarium as an input.
  
  No, I wasn’t looking for a debate, I was just posting my unpopular opinion, you know, like how the sub is meant for?
  
  I don’t care what you use, as long as you have fun. To me, I use both, but I find controller to be easier solely based on the barrier of entry like how I commented elsewhere.
  
  I don’t care about competitiveness, form factor, or anything else everyone seems to assume I care about. I know about aim assist too and I know it works, I know it’s in games that allow players to use controllers, however does it really matter? All I care about is ease of access. If I were to want to play a DM of any games, on mouse and keyboard, I’d have to warm up my hands, or crack my knuckles and loosen them up a bit, practice aim training and everything. On controller, it’s pick up and play.
  
  Based solely on ease of access, I find controllers to be better.
  
  The sub is a public forum meant for discussion. If you want to make a proclamation, buy a billboard. Or pay for a sky-writer. Or stick a sign on your front yard.
  
  If you don't want a discussion, and just want to be right, don't declare it publicly or you will get pushback. Especially if you know its an unpopular opinion.
- Okay but you don’t need to be competitive to have fun. The basics for controller is if you’re on PlayStation, get a dual sense. Xbox, Xbox controller. Switch, pro controller. Going through the sensitivities for controller is a hell of a lot simpler than going through sensitivities for keyboard and mouse.
  
  The barrier of entry is far lower for controller than it is for keyboard and mouse. If you can’t figure out you need a basic controller for your console, especially considering most times consoles come with controllers anyway, I don’t know what to tell you.
  
  You can’t tell me it’s “objectively wrong” then list inconsistencies like that.
  
  Not to pry, but "having fun" is subjective and therefore there is nothing "wrong". It is up to the subject to decide or feel that something fun is happening.
  
  You are "subjectively right" but you are also "objectively wrong".
  
  A clear reason is that Aim Assist was implemented to make the player have fun. K&M do not need this support because you can aim very accurately without previous training.
  
  The barrier of entry, as you call it, is reduced artificially for the controller.
  
  But alas, do what is fun for you. There is nothing to prove to anyone in single player games. I play third person (Souls games) games with controller and FPS (Cyberpunk mainly) with k&m.
  
  People play games with dance pads, or with their feet, or with Guitar Hero instruments, and they have fun doing it, but that doesn't mean it's efficient, or optimal, or that those control schemes are "good" for the games they're using. If your argument is "Controllers are adequate for FPS games", sure - I don't think anyone is refuting that point, but that's not the argument you made - you stated that controllers are good for FPS games, which is a pretty subjective word, but clearly you posted in the right place, because as you can see from all of the replies here, it's a very unpopular opinion.
  
  Clearly people can play FPS games with controllers. It is an option a lot of people use. However, it's just the case that an equally skilled player on a controller will lose to a similarly skilled player on M+K. There've been numerous attempts at scientific tests to prove this. Here's one such example. There's an anecdote that years ago, Microsoft was considering offering cross-platform multiplayer between PC and Xbox, but scrapped the idea when it was discovered that very skilled Halo players using a controller were losing to objectively less skilled players using mouse + keyboard.
  
  The title of your post begins as "Controllers are good for FPS games, especially on PC".
  
  Now it's about having fun and a lower barrier of entry, not competitiveness.
  
  It's fine you prefer controller, but you're moving the goalposts here. The title and body of your initial post isn't about having fun, it's about what is "good for fps games." K&M is, I'm sorry to tell you, objectively better in that sense.
  
  Side note, as for your "lower barrier of entry" for a controller part, you also specified from the beginning, "especially on PC". If you're playing on PC specifically, you already have a K&M. A controller is not a lower barrier of entry on that platform, it's an additional purchase vs. something everyone on that platform would already own.
  
  You're using a list of inconsistencies to deny why you are "objectively wrong".
  
  For single player games, sure. For multiplayer games, you will get absolutely wiped by KB+M players and that will not be fun for you.
  
  Also, if I'm using non standard controls (which for a PC FPS, would include controllers) and I'm getting smoked by people with standard controls no matter how much I get used to them, then my controls are bad.
  
  What inconsistency did I list?
  
  Going through the sensitivities for controller is a hell of a lot simpler than going through sensitivities for keyboard and mouse.
  
  Crank it to max, then dial it back until your shots start to land
  
  Changing a sensitivity on a mouse is easier than on a controller and generally allows a more fine tuned setting.
  
  The process of even changing sensitivity is easier, menu navigation on a mouse is simpler, then once at the sensitivity option, I can just type in a number or quickly drag a bar instead of waiting for a number to climb higher or lower. Hell, if the game has a console, I can usually just open that and type in any number I want on the fly.

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