System76 or Framework laptop?
System76 or Framework laptop?
Look, we know System76 laptops are based as fuck. I mean, Coreboot, Open source firmware, PopOS, and a fucking open source mobo in the works, just so fucking based.
But man, these framework laptops look cool too. Completely modular and easy to work on. Looks like the company has proved it isn't going to go under anytime soon.
I'm debating what to get once I feel like upgrading from the trusty ol ThinkPad. What would you buy?
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I will never choose system76, they are strictly murica-centric (until the name lol) and don't respect their potential customers from the rest of the world. Almost all of their laptops are simply clevo with another logo, but even then they don't deign to offer something as extremely basic as keyboards in other languages, even if they are available from their vendor.
Also, in the stores that preset linux there is usually a bad quality-price ratio, but system76 is particularly expert in this. Special mention to the mediocre mechanical keyboard (only for murica, obviously) they designed, 200-300$.
The only good thing I can currently say about them is that they have some open firmware (coreboot, basically), but it's not even that remarkable. Not only are there several companies in the competition that also do it, but it's even the case of tiny ones with a couple of employees like novacustom.
I didn't even realise what the '76' in the name was meant to be until that comment, thats really rather cheesy...
I still don't understand. what does it mean?
From wikipedia:
The number 76 in the company name is a reference to 1776, the year the American Revolution took place. Richell explained that the company hoped to spark an "open source revolution", giving consumers a choice to not use proprietary software.
That doesn't sound bad to me at all.
I find it very weird and it feels very nationalist/right-wing. In other countries the USA does not bring the concept of "freedom" to mind and, whilst it may be fine to Americans, doesn't really make me want to get involved with them as a potential international customer.
Right wingers would have stuck with the monarchy.
Not that I think necessarily the left/right wing divide as we currently know it can be applied to history like that but I'm not so sure we can categorise the hyper-religious separatists as not being right wing at all. Either way, history isn't the point here, the association many have of the kinds of people that tout "1776" everywhere tends to be the wife-beater wearing, massive pickup toting, 2fa enthusiasts obsessed with tramping people's rights in the name of "muh freedums".
Everyone was religious back then if they wanted to have any success. You were either religious or pretended to be. Why do you think Thomas Paine is the only Founding Father not to have a monument.
Well yeah... but these were people who thought the church reforms weren't enough for them and wanted to make the entire country more "godly" by purging all traces of catholicsm and then leaving to cross an entire ocean to set up a new godly society.
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They registered the domain in 2003 and started selling in 2005. I don’t think it is fair to apply current right wing rhetoric to a name selected 20 years ago when it was more neutral (as were flags).
If they start marketing Proud Boy Linux I might reconsider that stance.
I won’t buy from them because their main software guy said some stupid stuff a while ago when he was mad at gnome and it came across as both inaccurate and needlessly antagonistic.
1776 apparently (year of the american revolution)
While I don't like their current hardware options, they way they sell stuff, or Pop!_OS, their Virgo laptop could be promising and their new COSMIC desktop environment looks great so far. I hope they start to do other things right, but they have potential to nail both of those and they do contribute back to upstream projects, so I'm still glad they exist.
What don’t you like about popos?
I quite like it. Having used gnome, kde and even things like awesomwm or other des or window managers, pops de is quite nice
I don't like desktop environments and operating systems tied together so tightly. Their new desktop seems like it will be self contained and fairly OS agnostic. Debian is a great OS. If they wanted to release a distribution with improvements over debian, that's fine. Then if they wanted to make pop-desktop easy to simply install and have improvements over vanilla gnome, also fine. Then I could judge the benefits of both over the vanilla variants of each. I have similar problems with Ubuntu.
That’s fair. It seems like pop_os is trying to be a DE, the rest of the parts (kernel, drivers, packaging system of choice etc) are just a means to that end.
I wouldn’t consider pop for its kernel selection and immediately want to install AwesomeWM or something. For that I would just go straight Debian.