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You mean the blockades where Israel supplies Gaza with water and electricity? And you think after what happened Israel should just accept Hamas at their border and wait it out for the next attack?
Sucks for the kids but it's also pretty bad for the Israeli children that are still in captivity btw. Should Israel just give up on them?
You mean the blockades where Israel supplies Gaza with water and electricity?
Holy shit the Israeli propaganda is strong.
After more than a month of the Israeli government’s unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has included catastrophic cuts to water, fuel, and electricity, as well as very limited deliveries of food, water, and medical supplies, the lack of clean water is resulting in “grave concerns” by public health experts of an imminent infectious disease outbreak in Gaza, including waterborne illnesses like cholera and typhoid.
Israel is genociding Palestinians. This is not some controversial take. It's the stance of the UN and the majority of the international community, supported by mountains of evidence.
Yet still pigs like you dare write garbage comments like that
I mean that's exactly what I am talking about. How was Israel in a position to cut anything? Because it was them supplying in the first place. To you expect them to keep on feeding and supplying after the attacks? You kill my festival goers and cry foul if I stop giving water and electricity in return? Maybe don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Honestly, it blows my fucking mind how utterly delusional people like you are.
A hypothetical, if you will: you own a house and assume (for some legitimate reason) that you own the land around it as well. Well, the state informs you that you don't actually own the whole land and I'm gonna build a house next to you.
No issue there, plenty to go around. But then for the next few generations, I keep annexing your land bit by bit. I even annex most of your house, and now you're living in the cupboard under the stairs, because I made you.
Would you feel anger? Well, that's irrelevant. At that point, you're dependent on me, because of my actions.
Does that justify then locking you in the cupboard without food, electricity or water? Does that make it okay for me to deprive you of basic human rights?
Especially because you didn't even do anything. It was your violent cousin that you have no contact with and who you think should be in jail. But he shares your surname, so I use that to justify my crimes against you.
UN notes I'm wrong. A majority of the international community agrees I'm breaking your basic human rights.
I still refuse to admit I'm doing anything wrong.
End of hypothetical. Do you see anything wrong with it?
No. And now you'll regurgitate some more zionist prppaganda while completely ignoring the UN's position that Israel is committing warcrimes. You simply can not admit any flaw with Israel, because of your programming.
Please. Please, prove me wrong.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146587
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146242
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/un-court-has-ruled-on-gaza-genocide-case-heres-what-happens-now.html
Did I say I approve the land stealing and settlement policies? What I said is that going on a killing spree and running amok on a music festival is not an acceptable reaction, even if you're being treated unfair and your land is being stolen. And if your government thinks it is then this kinda does become your responsibility.
What you're saying is that "genocide is the correct and moral choice in this situation".
Isn't it?
Are you denying the Israeli are genociding Palestinians?
No matter how horrid the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel were, they do not justify genociding Palestinians.
And fucking shame on you for implying it does.
"It's the Palestinians own fault they're being genocided"
Where did you grow up, might I ask?
That is not at all what I said. And I do indeed not believe Israel is genociding palestinians. The settlement policies are shitty but they do not equal genocide. Refusing supplies if Hamas takes control of them, that's also not too much to ask. And if Hamas declines, who is it now that is denying supplies to palestinians? It's a shitty situation but no, genocide is something else entirely.
I grew up in Germany and you're right, that might have influenced my views about how people are responsible for their government and how extremism has consequences.
"I know better than the UN and the majority of the international community, they're all just propagating Hamas' lie but everything Israel says is 100% true and they've not done anything wrong"
See the part a few comments ago where I said my mind is honestly blown by how delusional people like you can be.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
Court order Detailing the provisional measures that Israel should implement, the ICJ judge noted that both South Africa and Israel were States parties to Genocide Convention and therefore had agreed “to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide”.
Quoting article 2 of the key international treaty signed in the aftermath of the Second World War, Judge Donoghue explained that genocide was defined as “acts committed with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The two-million-strong Palestinian population did indeed constitute a distinct group in the court’s view, she said.
Turning to the article 3 of the Genocide Convention, which prohibits “conspiracy to commit genocide” and public incitement to commit genocide, the judge said that the ICJ had taken note of a number of statements made by senior Israeli officials.
These included comments by Yoav Galant, Defense Minister of Israel, who reportedly told troops on the border with the enclave that they were fighting “human animals” who were the “ISIS of Gaza”.
You're simply refusing reality, because you've been brainwashed.
You grew up in Germany. I believe the schools in Germany teach the history of the holocaust pretty well. If you were awake for even a minute during even a single lesson, you must have heard about how the Jewish people were treated during WWII, and with what rhetoric the Nazis justified that with.
But you're still unable to perceive that when Israel is doing it? Even when UN and the majority of the international community agree vehemently that Israel is committing crimes against humanity?
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Of course I do see the facist tendencies also in Israel and their government. And of course, I never said what happened to palestine now and before is all fun and games. It's just that I think Hamas and leaving them unchecked is so much worse. That's it really, choosing the lesser of two evils.
"Lesser of two evils"
Being a victim of systemic genocide because you have cousins who fought against being genocides is "more evil" than actually systematically genociding people?
See it's things like these which make my stomach turn over when I read your comments.
So do you deny Israel is genociding Palestinians?
In one of you comments, you said that under no circumstances should anyone be killing kids.
Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying "I'm choosing the lesser evil"? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
In my book it's more like Hamas=Hitler and bombing Gaza=bombing Dresden if we want to keep the analogies.
And also your twisting my words, I was talking about targeting kids. The question is are the kids dying because they are actively being targeted or because Hamas dug a tunnel under their house. That's a difference. And actively targeting kids is 100% not IDF military doctrine, the same is evidently not true for Hamas.
A) No, I mean the blockades that have been going on since 2007. They limit necessary supplies to Gaza and are the reason it has been called an, "open-air prison." B) Israel is the occupying force in Gaza and therefore has a legal obligation to supply Gaza with water and power under the Oslo Accords. C) Israel has been failing in that obligation, because for years 97% of the drinking water has been below the minimum safety standards for human consumption.
Anyway, again, really great points, really showing your knowledge of the conflict here.
I mean there are also legal frameworks in place that prohibit kidnapping your neighbours kids and shooting up their music festivals. Somehow Hamas gets to break this but Israel is still bound to Oslo accords?
Great question! There are two possible answers: 1. Israel is a democratic nation that respects human rights, in which case it needs to behave in accordance with international law or 2. Israel is, like Hamas, a nation of extremists using violence against civilians to achieve its political goals, in which case it needs to be treated like any rogue nation. So, since you invited the comparison, you tell me; does Israel need to hold itself to a higher ethical code than Hamas, or are they the same as them?
Well I think you also forfeit some of our your legal rights after you commit crimes? And certainly that doesn't make Israel a rogue nation or just as bad as Hamas. There's nuance and middle ground, it's not black and white. The USA one-sidedly canceled the Iran nuclear treaty and the Paris climate agreement and they never accepted the ICC, that's shitty but would you argue it makes them a rogue nation just as bad as Hamas? I don't think so.
You asked why Islrael should be expected to follow the Oslo Accords if Hamas didn't. I answered. If.you don't like the answer, tough. But please, if you take one thing away from this interaction, make it this; the Palestinians can't, "forfeit some of their legal rights," because of the actions of their government. What you're describing is called, "Collective Punishment," and it is literally a war crime. Congratulations, you reasoned your way into advocating for war crimes. Great job.
bravo
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity. It doesn't make Israel and Hamas equally bad or rogue. And wether you name it collateral damage or collective punishment I guess that's what war is like, sucks but always was like this and really there is no good way around it. Because what is the alternative? Israel directly supplying Hamas who they are at war with?
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity.
It abso-fucking-lutely does not. A terrorist attack does not justify denying 2.5 million people access to water. You know, cause they die without it. And this isn't new, Israel has been using water as a weapon since the sixties. Look up Israeli Military Order 158.
Anyway, I think in done here. You've don't know basic facts about the conflict, you've defended war crimes, and you've actually suggested other war crimes. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're an awful person. This is a waste of my time.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be. Like did you note how Israel is actually not outright denying all supplies, they just want to not have it controlled by Hamas. That is a very reasonable thing and an absolute good faith try to keep the supplies going. If Hamas basically declines then how is it Israel denying water or starving millions of people? I don't think Oslo accords demand for all supplies to go through your enemy military.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be.
It is though.
Your just willfully ignoring the facts of the situation, because you've been programmed into never thinking Israel is to blame.
Not even when you literally advocate for collective punishment as something that right and okay to do?
That's sickening.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15473.doc.htm
Catherine Russell, Executive Director of the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), said she believed that “the true cost of this latest escalation will be measured in children’s lives — those lost to the violence and those forever changed by it”, as rampant grave violations are being committed against them. More than 420 children are being killed or injured in Gaza each day, she said, adding that it is “a number which should shake each of us to our core”.
#On average, one child is killed and two are injured every 10 minutes during the war, turning Gaza into a “graveyard for children,” according to the UN Secretary-General.
#“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said
> killed on a music festival
if you're worried about that, then take the guns from the iof. they're the ones who apache'd a fucking music festival.