Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.
Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide?
No.
When does it become strategically disadvantageous?
Always. We literally had 9/11 because of Israel and still haven't learned our lesson.
We are literally not allowed to say 9/11 happened because of Israel, despite the mastermind behind the attack literally saying that's why he did it AND I even provided the source!
As for us, our Iraq was invaded in response to pressure from capitalists with greed for black gold, and you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities.
Damn son. He was very clear. I have never seen that document. He even concludes with it:
In conclusion: Be assured that we do not fight for mere killing
but to stop the killing of our people. It is a sin to kill a
person without proper, justifiable cause, but terminating his
killer is a right. You should be aware that justice is the
strongest army and security offers the best livelihood; you lost
it by your own making when you supported the Israelis in
occupying our land and killing our brothers in Palestine. The
road to safety starts with the stopping of aggression.
It went viral on tiktok a few years ago and they started banning anyone who shared it.
The propaganda war goes both ways, but a lot of useful idiots don't realize that.
I think it's sad how most people, including myself, only saw it after it went viral and not before we invaded.
Edit: It's even sadder because my original comment highlighting how 9/11 happened because of Israel was removed.
This is what I mean by propaganda and indoctrination. There are even people on the mod team that have a vested interest in keeping the truth from people's eyes if it's inconvenient for Israel.
The way for change and freeing
yourselves from the pressure of lobbyists is not through the
Republican or the Democratic parties, but through undertaking a
great revolution for freedom: not to free Iraq from Saddam
Hussein but to free the White House and to free Barack Husayn so
he can implement the change you seek. It does not only include
improvement of your economic situation and ensure your security,
but more importantly, helps him in making a rational decision to
save humanity from the harmful [greenhouse] gases that threaten
its destiny.
For the American youth to succeed in this change, they need to
relive the history of their ancestors and the conditions in
their country more than two centuries ago. They need to
understand the similarities during that era and their present
situation, especially in their fundamental conditions. The
British Parliament sided with corporations, then against the
interests
Against lobbyists, thought killing was only justified in extreme conditions, was worried about climate change. These aren't from the Bin Laden I have heard of...
West will never stop supporting Israel. It’s just still more advantageous to tolerate its war crimes rather than having states like Iran and terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah with nuclear weapons.
The current government of Iran and Hamas are both reactions caused by US meddling in the Middle East. The CIA actively led a campaign to get Iranians to turn on a democratic government -> supported Reza Shah -> which lead to the 1979 revolution which established the current government.
So what should US do? Calmly sit down and shout: "We are bad, please kill us."
Edit: Also, what you are essentially doing is picking a specific point of time in history, dubbing a it a root cause and then you excuse the other side's actions. By this logic, let’s blame the city of Rome for the conflict in the middle east because if Romans hadn't forced out jews thousands years ago, this wouldn't have happened. So all Israel's war crimes are actually Romans' fault, so now let’s collectively blame them.
So what should US do? Calmly sit down and shout: “We are bad, please kill us.”
Not build a country on land in use. If you can't do that, at least leave them alone. Not a single West Bank city can develop anymore since it would just collide into the area near the settlements (which would lead to getting shot). At least leave them alone.
Also, what you are essentially doing is picking a specific point of time in history, dubbing a it a root cause and then you excuse the other side’s actions.
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
Rome for the conflict in the middle east because if Romans hadn’t forced out jews thousands years ago, this wouldn’t have happened.
Not as long as Democrat politicians know they can continue to count on our votes while they take money from the Zionist lobby and do their bidding. But don't you dare suggest not voting for Genocide Joe on here. Anyone who would suggest such a thing must be an astroturfing Trump troll. After all, what's a little genocide in the big picture?
PS: The Zionist lobby isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. In the US, the Zionist lobby probably gets more support from rabid fundamentalist Christians who think Israel's ascendancy will trigger the end times than from Jews. That's been true since the Blackstone Memorial was circulated in 1891.
Why are you acting like Trump wouldn’t support the genocide? It’s not a choice between genocide and not, so yes you are in fact just trolling for trump.
It’s not that Trump wouldn’t support the genocide, he certainly would. But as long as Democrats feel they can also support the genocide without repercussions, they will do so to enrich themselves. Republicans aren’t going to change, there’s little point trying to push them on this. But if democrats think that this issue is the difference between winning and losing an election (and thus potentially limiting their ability to enrich themselves), there’s a smidge of a chance they’d at least cut funding or something.
You're right, I guess we need to do nothing while thousands of children slowly starve to death before our eyes. I suppose it's just a sacrifice we have to make.
Destroying your own livelihood is not going to stop the Gazan Massacre. It'd be like if you threatened to burn down your local hospital if they don't start admitting more uninsured people. Your actions will help no one, and make things worse for everyone.
You want to fix a problem? Then take steps to actually fixing them. Not threatening to destroy everything around you like a fucking child.
How's this, why don't you go burn down your home or your parents home as a form of protest. It'll really make a message about the destroyed homes in Gaza. Oh, your not going to do it? I guess your just as bad as I am. Hypocrite.
Yes, ignore any other logic in my post, and just hyperfixate on the end. Lol you're just a troll at this point. Your logic sucks and it's clear that all your trying to do is get people to not vote for Biden.
Because what's the alternative, dingus? Pray tell, what alternative do you think is going to fix the situation? Oh, voting for Trump or letting Trump win? Pray tell, how do you think that will go? It's like your whole thought process exists in a pathetic little microcosm and you just can't seem to see the big picture.
This isn't the trolley problem. We have other options. We could force Biden to step aside and have an open convention. If that doesn't happen, I'll vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz.
No one wants to hear it discussed because it's a fucking dumb strategy, like, what effect do you think it'll actually have? You vote for the guy that's most likely to actually do something about it rather than vote to sink the entire fucking ship because your having a temper tantrum. You're insane if you think that's even a remotely viable strategy. I can't believe you're even bringing it up like it's a "good" idea...like wtf.
You can check my post history. I'm rabidly against this genocide. The IDF has gone unchecked and their treatment of an "enemy populace" is a fucking warcrime. Something needs to be done. But if you think for a second that I or any other rational adult here is going to even remotely humor the idea of doing something that could get Trump elected, you are out of your damned mind.
No, we're not commiting a genocide. There's just not enough pressure to stop a strategic ally (that's armed with nukes, mind you) from doing horrific actions. There's been a shit ton of verbal posturing from all of our allies over this, but no one else has done a damned thing either. I'm not going to tank my country because of it either. What does that accomplish? Congratulations bro, your morally superior. Hope that'll keep you chipper in the American gulag if Trumpelstiltskin gets elected.
It is literally our shells and bombs which our client state is using to kill children while we are the lone veto in the UN Security Council vote for a ceasefire. Obama and Reagan--yes, Ronald Reagan--withheld weapon shipments to Israel over far less. All Biden has to do is follow his own policy which prohibits providing arms that will likely be used to violate human rights. Instead, he has refused to even place conditions on the weapons he gives to Israel, conditions he has been happy to place on arms transfers to Ukraine.
Biden is not merely complicit. He's a willful participant. He's a war criminal.
How many genocidal deaths per month (under a dem administration) would it take for you to withhold your vote for a dem? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
How many genocidal deaths (in a totally different country than your own) per month would it take for you to destroy your government and see it overtaken by an Alt-Right Dictatorship? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
It'd be on thing if "a dem administration" was the one causing the genocide. They aren't. But I agree that they could be doing more to stop it. It won't get better under Trump, so this game of "Morality chicken" your playing with our entire future here is fucking dumb.
Nope. Not as long as we can continue our comfortable lives over here. Not as long as it's people who don't look like us--who don't speak our language--doing the dying. Not as long as we can block "Gaza" from our feed when it starts to become a real downer.
When one of the most powerful nations in the world becomes a dictatorship, how do you think that'll affect the world? What do you think happens to the last 200 years of progress? What do you think will continue to happen in Gaza?
It isn't like this is an isolated decision. Not voting has a very real and fucking dangerous consequence, and you need to realize that sometimes there aren't good decisions and you have to make the best of it. Sitting out and pouting doesn't do shit but make things worse for everyone else. So stop acting like a petulant child. No one in this entire fucking thread is even remotely supportive of genocide, but you'll be damned if I'm going to see my country become a dictatorship because of events in other countries because one side "isn't doing enough".