Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop
Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop
Plainclothes Chicago police officers fired nearly 100 gunshots over 41 seconds during a traffic stop that left one man dead and one officer injured last month.
Plainclothes Chicago police officers fired nearly 100 gunshots over 41 seconds during a traffic stop that left one man dead and one officer injured, according to graphic video footage a police oversight agency released Tuesday.
Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt. Video shows the 26-year-old Black man briefly lowering a window and then raising it and refusing to exit the vehicle as more officers arrived, yelled commands and drew weapons.
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He shot at the cops. They fired back. What's to understand?
According to additional information, they were in an unmarked car and not uniformed officers. So for all intents and purposes, a random group of people.
How do you expect someone to react to a seemingly random group of people approaching a vehicle and demanding they get out? Sounds like self defense in that context.
We need all the information, with body cam video. Police have lied about these situations before to protect their shitty decisions. Their report cannot be trusted by itself.
In Humboldt Park which has had car jackings more than triple for the last few years.
You mean like the bodycam video that it's in the article? The one that clearly shows at least one of them wearing a vest that has 'POLICE' written on it while they repeatedly tell him to unlock and open the door? and after being told multiple times to unlock and open the door, saying he will, so the cops on the drivers side all back off to let him out and then he starts blasting at the one on the passenger side?
There was absolutely no confusion at the point when he started shooting that they were cops.
You can buy those patches on Etsy. Get a police car, get someone in their actual uniform. They're the one that engages the driver with commands. Not this mob style shit they're doing.
Wow. I think it'd be hilarious to see you in court claiming you shot at a police officer because you thought they were fake. Bonus points if you mention etsy.
I guess if they actually were fake, you'd have a point. Kind of like when cops shoot at people who they think are armed.
It's not winning a court case we're worried about. It's not knowing it's the police and getting killed because you thought you were being attacked.
The police have a duty to protect and that should include how they conduct themselves.
The police have a duty to protect
No they don't.
It’s not knowing it’s the police and getting killed because you thought you were being attacked.
This guy clearly knew they were police, which is why you see so many apologists claiming that you can buy fake cop things online. They legitimately think that's a rational belief; assume the people pursuing criminals aren't actually police.
I'm glad the real world is a bit more rational than what goes on here.
If they don't have a duty to protect then they're just a well funded gang and they should be disbanded; by force if necessary. And if the world is so high minded and rational why are there so many stories of criminals disguising themselves as cops?
If they don’t have a duty to protect then they’re just a well funded gang and they should be disbanded
Not really. If police departments just sit around and do nothing, then the communities funding them would (hopefully) do something different after enough crime goes unpunished. This isn't a guarantee, but is typically what happens in Western societies.
We've already experienced life without cops. It was called CHAZ and it wasn't long before the upstanding citizens inhabiting it started murdering each other over petty things like respect and material goods.
Like it or not, without cops real criminals would have their way with you. This is because you can't fight and you don't own guns. That means anyone who can fight or has a gun can take what they want from you because you can't defend yourself. All the mental health care in the world won't stop them or protect you.
It's a pretty simple concept, but reality tends to get warped if you just believe whatever is upvoted on these forums.
Ah yes because the only options are an official gang that can do whatever it wants and Anarchy. There's nothing at all between the two and the cops are the only thing protecting us from the horrible no good criminals. Sure thing buddy.
What patch? The guy in the car was up on illegal weapon charges and illegal carrying a weapon. He didn't shoot because he didn't know who they were. He shot because he didn't want to go back to jail.
The one that clearly shows at least one of them wearing a vest that has ‘POLICE’ written on it while they repeatedly tell him to unlock and open the door?
The one you so ably pointed out. And if our prisons are so bad people would rather die than go back we should probably fix that.
Would rather die? He would rather fight than be punished.
Damn, seeing how you guys twist facts and argue in bad faith really puts things into perspective than me.
Most of ya'll are too removed from reality to ever be brought back. These forums are just your containment zones, lol.
Nobody in the criminal world thinks they're going to shoot at police surrounding them and come out alive. He didn't think he was getting into a fight and then going to prison again.
Lol. You speak for all criminals in all instances? Nobody has ever won a shootout with the police?
I guess that's what makes you removed from reality, lol. Thanks for proving my point.
at police surrounding them
Nice loaded language! It really makes it seem like this guy has a 6 star wanted level rather than being pursued by 2 cops in an unmarked vehicle.
This is why rational people do not take you seriously.
Did you watch the video? It was 4 cops, one to the right front, two to the left front, and one to the left rear. That's not a scenario in which you successfully shoot your way out. And I didn't say nobody ever won, I said with the police surrounding them.
Great. It's also not a scenario where a rational person would think they're fake cops.
So we can debunk the notion that he was acting in self-defense because he didn't know they were cops. He'd rather take his chances in a shootout than the guarantee of prison and the cops were justified in killing him.
It's funny watching your rhetoric defeat itself.
That doesn't appear to be a patch. Unless the prison comes with 24 hour massage and blow job service, very few criminals are ever going to want to go to jail. There is no fixing that. Maybe instead of trying to defend someone who would rather shoot at cops than face his illegal actions you could spend that effort teaching people like that not to be like that.
Face what actions? Why was he stopped in such an aggressive manner again? A seatbelt?
And no the choice isn't torture or blowjob.
This is the rational response, but there are plenty of irrational children here whose growth has been stunted by these forums.
These are police vehicles, with lights and sirens, you can see them in the video. That's not easy to fake.
They're unmarked, any lights and sirens are low profile stuff in the grille or passenger compartment. And yeah you can buy them.
And you get in a massive amount of shit if you have them on your vehicle, too.
Yeah, but that hasn't stopped people. That's why it's important for police to not blur the line. Even one actual police car with one officer in their full uniform would remove the ambiguity.
I don't think it's realistic this person didn't know these people were police, if it was a rival gang or dealer etc, they would have simply opened fire on him without trying to get him out of the car.
He knew they were police, and he knew he was in trouble.
Robbers, including ones going after drug money have impersonated police. You don't know what they want, this isn't Hollywood where gangs are in a 24/7 war. You don't even know if he was in a gang.
I'm aware, Al Capone quite famously did it.
It's pretty unlikely they'd pull a stunt like that in daylight, and in such a public place though.
You apparently get in a massive amount of shit of caught without your seatbelt too, yet here we are.
This wasn't really about the seatbelt, the police knew what was going to happen. You don't have four people with guns drawn for that.
Unmarked cars generally have lights though.
And people being ambushed generally don't have time to check if their attackers unmarked vehicle has emergency lights.
You can very clearly see the lights in the video, there's no way this person didn't realize they were dealing with police.
Why else would they have pulled over?
Yeah, we can see the lights from the video's perspective, that doesn't prove Dexter saw them. If we're going off what the video shows, it doesn't look like they pulled him over, it looks like they boxed him in with their vehicle.
it looks like they boxed him in with their vehicle.
Yes.
Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt.
You really are grasping at straws here.
You can buy those lights online, btw, Dr Strangelove
You didn't answer the question. Why would the guy have pulled over?
Because the most prevalent armed gang will kill you if you don't.
The real problem is the gang member was out of his colors, so it was impossible to tell which group of murderous thugs was actually involved.
Because the most prevalent armed gang will kill you if you don't.
So he knew they were police?
Fry squinting
Which is highly illegal.
Are you trying to say that he would be justified if he saw the lights because he could've thought they were fake?
The cop-hate among ya'll is insane. Really puts into perspective the kind of person that frequents these forums too much.
Which is highly illegal.
Better tell the criminals, they wouldn't want to break the law.
The cop-hate among ya'll is insane.
Let's have a quick reality check here:
What was the crime?
How many police were involved?
How armed were the police?
Is that proportional to the crime?🤡
Suspected for illegal possession of a firearm, which I think any reasonable person would agree warrants an armed response.
Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt.
Nothing in the article about an illegal firearm.
I suppose if "suspected of having a firearm" justifies this kind of response, then police are always justified using this kind of response because who knows if they have a legalally obtained firearm?
I bought a light wand from Walmart and one of the functions is red and blue flashing lights. You can also use an app on your phone, I remember some kids getting in big trouble for messing with people using one.
…so is shooting someone.
Yup, he really shouldn't have fired at police.
Bye Felisha.
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Random people? Unmarked cars put on lights to pull people over
The other day a car that was very obviously not a cop lit up some lights and ran a red light I was stopped at. Turns out you can just buy lights.
True. So...you'd start shooting too?
It’s hard to say how you’d react when you’re surrounded by seemingly random guys “shouting profanities” at you, pointing weapons. The cops almost certainly escalated the situation completely unnecessarily. As they are wont to do. If you read the article, it very much sounds that way.
Their excuse is he wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. It isn’t clear how the situation went this way, but they apparently didn’t announce themselves as police, and when he rolled the window up they pulled their guns and shouted at him.
Tell me how you’d react.
And tell me honestly what you think would be more dangerous: a bunch of cops escalating this exact situation, or car jackers trying to force him out of the car? Honestly, it seems like the situation with the cops is more dangerous.
I don't believe you, but okay.
Putting spotlights or emergency lights on your car is highly illegal.
So because something is illegal nobody does it?
It's definitely a deterrence.
Go ahead, argue you thought they were fake cops in court. See how well that works for you out in the real world.
You'd have point if they were actually fake cops.
Thank god all the laws have deterred people from breaking them. Like drugs, speeding, murder, changing lanes without signaling, running a red light, shoplifting. Those things never happen because theyre illegal! Why didn’t we think of this solution to crime before.
You're right.
Laws are pointless and have no effect.
My bad.
But you’re trying to bring the “well it’s against the law and laws are deterrents against law breaking so how likely is it that happened” argument into the conversation. Our point is that means nothing to someone breaking the law.
And you’re also saying this like it matters to someone who might’ve thought their life was in danger. The kid very, very well might’ve been thinking these people were going to murder him.
OUR point is the cops need, need, need to be so much better than that. Arguing against that point is foolish. Hence, we think you’re being a fool.
Plain clothes officers in an unmarked car with guns drawn on him for a seatbelt violation. How is somebody supposed to differentiate them from any other gang calling themselves "police"?
He shot in self defense. Period.
https://abc7chicago.com/dexter-reed-chicago-police-shooting-body-camera-video-copa/14637195/
More information here, from the video narration:
The 26 year old was already facing illegal gun charges and if the cops found the gun he'd be going back to jail. He didn't shoot in self defence. He shot because he was a criminal afraid to go back to jail.
When did you gain your psychic powers? I'd like to talk to my dead grandparents.
Clearly you already live in a fantasy world if you think a criminal illegally possessing a weapon simply shot out of 'self defence' when faced with returning to jail. No one was running up on him when he shot. They were backing off, clear as day in the video. The mental gymnastics people will go through to defend violent criminals is absolutely sad.
Interesting that someone claiming to know a dead person's motivations and thoughts accuses me of living in a fantasy world.
I notice that you didn't accuse the person who claimed he fired in self defence of having psychic powers. Maybe if your bias was so blatant I wouldn't take everything you said as a giant trolling joke.
"You didn't say anything to them, therefore what you said to me is not valid" is very poor reasoning.
It would be if I'd never seen you before, but given how many times I've run across you, it's pretty spot on.
And the psychic makes another pronouncement from the spirit world.
We can easily infer from the evidence we have.
He shot at plain clothes police officers with an unmarked car that didn't announce themselves as police in the video I saw, but they turned their video on after the encounter started.
"Mmm... cop's boot" (You on the Internet)
We're talking about trying to murder another human. Stop dehumanising them.
Nearly 100 shots. Cops love shooting people. Stop treating them as anything more than State-sanctioned deviants.
Wow it's genuinely disturbing that so many people here think attempting murder is an appropriate response to getting pulled over. Yeesh people.
Wow it's genuinely disturbing that so many people here think a SWAT team of an appropriate response to someone not wearing a seatbelt. Yeesh people.
You really shouldn't be surprised, this place is worse than Reddit in that regard.
You're free to not be here.
And yet, here I am.